What is your belief?

[majikstranger]

That is the problem Funky Ice, i have no idea what it is you want me to claim. This post says "What is your belief" I stated some beleifs thats all. Im not claiming them to be right or forcing any one to beleive them, wich is why i dont seem to grasp the concept of why we are arguing. Childish was you calling my ideas absurd, therefore i retorted with your same childish logic. You placed judgement first

I have looked at your other post. You are not ignorant and you by no means are ill informed as to lifes secrets. On top of that i agree with you on most of the topic you have participated on, so i dont see what is it you want me to claim? What am i supposed to prove? You want me to give you concrete evidence on quantum theory and hypothetical philosophical ideals, these are all abstract things we cant really prove. I dont claim anything to be proof, if you look back at everything ive said, you will noticed that i kept saying "I blieve this" or " I beleive that". thats all

So im just gonna take all this as a misunderstanding and hopefully we can meet on better terms

 

[FunkyIce]

I am not in the mood for carrying on, so lets leave it at that............................
Yes, hopefully we can meet on better terms

 

[Kat]

When it comes down to it... no matter if you group yourself as agnostic/ atheist / or theist ... everyone defines that as different from the next person. No 2 people will see it exactally the same way. Thats why its called belief. You base it off of life experiences...off of facts sometimes. I can not and will not say anyone is wrong for what they think ... honestly to me religion is not something to be debated at all. I know what I believe... it may not be founded on any seeable proof ... but i have all the proof i need... to substanciate (sp?) my personal beliefs.

Belief leaves you open to exploring all options...to listening to what others have to say and maybe having that change your belief... or choosing to hold firm to what you already know in your heart...

Life is all about questioning what you know...questioning what you see ...and dont see.

For me I used to have a hard time believing in God (in the one God that christians believe) ... I couldnt believe in something I couldnt see... but when it comes down to it... You cant see air....can you? But you know its there. So I choose to believe in God now...in my own way... it may not be considered perfect to others but to me... It is what it is.

 

[lemon]

For me I used to have a hard time believing in God (in the one God that christians believe) ... I couldnt believe in something I couldnt see... but when it comes down to it... You cant see air....can you? But you know its there. So I choose to believe in God now...in my own way... it may not be considered perfect to others but to me... It is what it is.

true. you cannot see air. but you can physically feel the effects of it. you can physically see the effects of the wind on objects around you. yet, you cannot physically see the effects of god around you. yes, you might say miracles for disabled persons, but most of those can be explained with today's knowledge. the rest can be explained later on in life, as we study them. and by no means am i saying science is right. there is a fundamental flaw, or so i think, that would undermine most findings. and thats what they are. just findings. the laws of physics are just that - agreed upon rules based on physical events. in terms of gravity - we aint flying on our own. thats another thing you cannot see. and it is not constant - it sure isnt - it is actually an average. thats why it isnt perfect when you were in physics class in high school / college. damnit - another tangent.

anyways. everything can be explained, and things can be disproven. but remember, only in the eyes of those attempting such explanations and disprovements. or whatever you call it. so, i guess what im trying to say is - believe whatever the hell you want. if i dont agree - so be it. if i do, same goes - so be it. next topic. please - i am running out of things to say when trying to say the same thing more than once, but with different words.

 

[Kat]

true. you cannot see air. but you can physically feel the effects of it. you can physically see the effects of the wind on objects around you. yet, you cannot physically see the effects of god around you. yes, you might say miracles for disabled persons, but most of those can be explained with today's knowledge. the rest can be explained later on in life, as we study them.

True what you said about seeing the physical effects with air...maybe that wasnt such a good comparison...but in what I meant...as I said its different for each person... I was not going by miracles or any such thing but as in when I decided to believe in God ... I couldnt physically see the change in myself...it was more something I felt...stronger and not so alone... Just things such as that...I wont go into it anymore than I have already...because also as I said...everyone believes in a different version of a different thing. I was just stating my own personal beliefs

 

[lemon]

heh - yeah, usually when someone trys the air one, i let a little loose. sorreh.

 

[Kat]

lol...no prob. lemon...to me that was the closest comparison I could come up with...tho when you posted I could see why that was only really valid to me

 

[lemon]

its all good with a side dish of excellent.

 

[TheOriginalJames]

true. you cannot see air. but you can physically feel the effects of it. you can physically see the effects of the wind on objects around you. yet, you cannot physically see the effects of god around you. yes, you might say miracles for disabled persons, but most of those can be explained with today's knowledge. the rest can be explained later on in life, as we study them. and by no means am i saying science is right. there is a fundamental flaw, or so i think, that would undermine most findings. and thats what they are. just findings. the laws of physics are just that - agreed upon rules based on physical events. in terms of gravity - we aint flying on our own. thats another thing you cannot see. and it is not constant - it sure isnt - it is actually an average. thats why it isnt perfect when you were in physics class in high school / college. damnit - another tangent.

anyways. everything can be explained, and things can be disproven. but remember, only in the eyes of those attempting such explanations and disprovements. or whatever you call it. so, i guess what im trying to say is - believe whatever the hell you want. if i dont agree - so be it. if i do, same goes - so be it. next topic. please - i am running out of things to say when trying to say the same thing more than once, but with different words.

That's not really a fair comparison. Wind and it's effects around you can be proven. God however cannot be 100% proven.

 

[Kat]

That's not really a fair comparison. Wind and it's effects around you can be proven. God however cannot be 100% proven.

Yeah as I said to lemon...true that was not a good compaison to make...but it fit in my mind... see my other post after what lemon said james

 

[Sam]

Dear Original James,

It seems that you are frustrated because of God, because you want him to prove you 100 % that he is their....then sir why don't we ask a question to ourself that are we really that capable for seeing him ????

He has proved himself by giving birth to all of us, what have we done for him ????

How many times in a day you / we remember him from our heart ????

Why do we expect credits for all good things we do for others ????

HUMAN BIRTH is the last gift of God, because our SOUL has to travel 84 Million Birth Recycles. ( I can further elaborate on this topic in my next post )

So this is the chance for us to proove GOD, that we have complete faith and belief in him and whatever he is doing is always and will be right . Instead of we asking him his poof we should give him proof that he has not made any mistake by giving us HUMAN BIRTH.

Science is utter fake, it is time dependent the only TRUTH IS GOD and for MANKIND the only real TRUTH IS DEATH... After death we have to meet the ULTIMATE POWER.

So it will be ridiculous and illogical to say that GOD can't be proven, and if you really want him to prove you, make yourself that capable that GOD himself comes to you and gives his existence proof.

Regards

Sagar

 

[TheOriginalJames]

Human birth is a biological function. Like peeing. Am I supposed to thank "god" that I have to take time out of my day to eat, to rest, to pee, to shit, and why do I have to sleep? I hate sleeping, it's my ultimate weakness.

"god" doesn't exist unless you can prove him to me.

Jesus existed. He was on the earth, I don't recall anyone ever seeing god except in a burning bush.

 

[Sam]

Dear Original James,

Who was Jesus then ????? he was just a fraction of the Almighty.... and yes you have to remember GOD while doing everything he OWNS everything... I don't have to prove to you that GOD exists because I am happy that I have not seen him because I know I am not that great or have done anything great to see him... See forget this biological fundas they are basless everything is planned, there is a cause behind every reason so if you are born, alive today there is a reason behind it.
So you can help yourself rather seeking others help to prove GOD is there.. in my previous post I have told what we can do to feel his presence....Still I would like to give you few tips :

1.) Stop saying and writting that GOD is not there, because by doing this you are in a
way insulting the ALMIGHTY.

2.) Chill down and Relax and think where do you go wrong.

3.) Spread good knowledge and be a good human.

4.) Stop expecting credits for your good deeds, let GOD take care of that.

5.) Have 100 percent faith in him and whatever you do.

6.) Your weakness is Sleep, you can control it, first control your mind the day you do it
you can achieve anything, Sleep is a minor thing.

7.) Once in a day atleast say THANKS to him for his blessings for you.

8.) Sop insulting him by saying hes not there, he is everywhere, he
is in you also.

9.) Meditate for atleast 15 min in a day.

10.) Think good, live and let live others.

I think if you follow the above 10 points nothing is imposible for you, keep this is a life long process, its not a one day magic.Proove yourself you will definitely get good results.

Regards

Sam

 

[TheOriginalJames]

I don't care who I'm insulting. God does not exist, so don't tell me to stop doing what I want to do.

 

[Sam]

Dear Original James,

Tats fine I did my job giving u an advice its up to you !!!!!! We can take the horse to the well but can't force to drink water.

Best of Luck Sir!!!!!! You are definitely going to come back.......

Regards

Sam

 

[Kat]

Dear Original James,

Who was Jesus then ????? he was just a fraction of the Almighty.... and yes you have to remember GOD while doing everything he OWNS everything... I don't have to prove to you that GOD exists because I am happy that I have not seen him because I know I am not that great or have done anything great to see him... See forget this biological fundas they are basless everything is planned, there is a cause behind every reason so if you are born, alive today there is a reason behind it.
So you can help yourself rather seeking others help to prove GOD is there.. in my previous post I have told what we can do to feel his presence....Still I would like to give you few tips :

1.) Stop saying and writting that GOD is not there, because by doing this you are in a
way insulting the ALMIGHTY.

2.) Chill down and Relax and think where do you go wrong.

3.) Spread good knowledge and be a good human.

4.) Stop expecting credits for your good deeds, let GOD take care of that.

5.) Have 100 percent faith in him and whatever you do.

6.) Your weakness is Sleep, you can control it, first control your mind the day you do it
you can achieve anything, Sleep is a minor thing.

7.) Once in a day atleast say THANKS to him for his blessings for you.

8.) Sop insulting him by saying hes not there, he is everywhere, he
is in you also.

9.) Meditate for atleast 15 min in a day.

10.) Think good, live and let live others.

I think if you follow the above 10 points nothing is imposible for you, keep this is a life long process, its not a one day magic.Proove yourself you will definitely get good results.

Regards

Sam

Hey Sam ...I must say...this being a debate and all... you can not force others to see your views or to believe what you do...you cant force anyone to believe in god

 

[Sam]

hmmmmm.... Kat I dont think I have forced anyone here

 

[sharpies]

Ok, I think it has become abundantly clear now just who is messed up. I think I hear my mum calling me... slowly backs away... turns & runs.

Allan

 

[elluko]

hes attempted.

 

[majikstranger]

its hard to debate religion withouth getting emotional because none of us really know what the truth is but we all desperately want to know and want to be right.

I think if god exist, he isnt that ego centered that he wants us thanking him twenty four seven. When a parent has a child they want the child to become better then the parent, to succed in life. Like my mother say, i dont want presents, i just want you to be good. I feel if God is real he must want the same. I also think people blame God to much for too much, they thank him for eveything (even when some harm comes to others) and curse him for everything. What about taking personal responsibility and saying "thank you god for giving me life, ill live it to the fullest and ill check back with you when im dead".

on the other hand, if he doesnt exist, the same rule still aplies, live life to the fullest and as noble and humble as you can.

If God was so desperte for us to know he exists and for us to be his brianwashed zombies (as you see some religion do) then i think he would make his presence known like he did in the old testament.

Whatever you beleive, all that matters i think is that we are good people and try to help humanity and evole our consciousness. THE END