What is your belief?

[sharpies]

I suppose that my point is, it doesn't matter what YOU believe or how much respect that you have for other people's beliefs - it's what THEY believe that counts.

The Catholics, Muslims, Nazi's, Chinese, Sikhs are examples of people with beliefs that have killed millions - some in the past & some today. Just a little side note, it is also true that these beliefs are not necessarily shared by all of these people - except, maybe the Nazi's.

I sincerely believe that we should all be free to belive what we wish, provided that it does not interfere with others. My personal motto is 'Do whatever you want, just don't hurt anyone'.

Allan

 

[majikstranger]

Well Sharpie i agree with you on that 100 percent

 

[Peter Parka]

Agree with you there too Sharpies but interesting quote from you there though.
"we should all be free to belive what we wish, provided that it does not interfere with others."
From my experience a lot of religion does interfere with others, the amount of innocent victims in religious wars and on another experience that probably most of us have experienced, getting rudely awakened from your Saturday morning lie in by Jehovahs Witnesses banging on your door and trying to shove the Bible down your throat! Don't forget that the recent terrorist attacks have all been inspired by religion too!

 

[Sam]

Dear MajikStranger,

Hello ! as informed to you earlier I am back home and following are your questions : I am going to sum up one answer for your two quesions, hope it answers you ....

" MAJIKSTRANGER SAID :

Sam i have a question for you and im not challenging you, i just realy want to see what youre answers to this is and whats you opinion is

you said
Quote:
.you will be free from this Virtual World which is again a FAKE created by him to test us

Is that what God does, create things and then puts them to the challenge, if he is all knowing, why do you have to prove yourself, he should already know the answer. What do you think of that statement?

you also said
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He is watching each and everyone of us ....each action is captured nothing can escape from his sight

so does god have a physical apperance? what does he look like? and what is God?

SAM ANSWERS :

Majik first of all each and every human should first realise why he/she is born.....
To know this reason it requires high level of meditation ..... The best example is " GAUTAM BUDHDHA " who meditated for more than 21 Years and at that time he was able to see his past 600 years incarnations...he got all his answers of why he was born.

The reason god has created this VIRTUAL WORLD is because, our souls are just small part of GOD'S PIOUS SOUL who in or other wayrefuse to accept him, in reply to this GOD or the ULTIMATE POWER has formed this VIRTUAL WORLD, wherein if we show our faith and love for him after our death our SOUL meets him and the Cycle of Life and Death ends there itself.... If we don't then our SOULS keeps on following the Cycle of Birth and Death... HEAVEN and HELL are temporary our SOULS are temporary residents over there ... after a certain amount of time they have to return back here.
Best example is people around you there are many people who will immediately tell you they don't believe in GOD just because he hasn't done anything for them or there is no one such as GOD or any damm answer which will refuse his PRESENCE...This is nothing but their SOUL / HEART /BRAIN refuse to accept that GOD is there....
Have you seen AIR / FEELINGS ????? but u feel them everytime.. GOD do have his own PHYSICAL APPEARANCE but ask yourself a question are you that capable / good enough to be liable to see his PHYSICAL APPEARANCE.... Yes but he will and he always meets or helps us in any form doesn't really matters...... GOD is nothing but the ULTIMATE POWER who has created this Solar System , each and every HUMAN BEING'S SOUL is a minute particle of his.... Divinity can only be attained by high level meditation , complete belief in his existence and continuity in this process..... Many people think and believe that GOD exists only if he listens to them ??? But in this process they forget about their BAD DEEDS which affect their GOOD DEEDS... After all there should be a BALANCE for all....Our Mother ( atleast mine ) LOVES us ...in the very same way GOD loves us and he keeps on loving us .. he gets hurt when we are adament and keep on saying he is not there or doubt his existence.... This earth is a FAKE / VIRTUAL world and we are here to go back to him after death to never come back.... who wants this rotational life ???? Last life you may lived a DOG'S life who knows but again to know your incanations you have to give something to attain that level... it will not come by posting BLOGS or shouting I am this and I am that .......Jesus Christ before leaving this world only said one thing " MY LORD FORGIVE THESE PEOPLE AS THEY ARE NOT AWARE OF WHAT THEY ARE DOING " ... Do we have this attitude ???? GOD checks each and every casue behind a ACT.... even if you are doing a good thing but the CAUSE was wrong then wats the use ???? So he is watching our movement each and every movement... He loves those who dont believe in him and he loves those who believe in him..Its just a matter of fact that to feel his presence you have to bring yourself to that calibre so that instead of you willing to see GOD , he himself comes up to you......

MAJIK, I think this may have answered your questions if not let me know I can prove in all possible ways that GOD is there... I don't want to challenge anyone here who do not believe in GOD... These are my views and my study in PHILOSOPHY... Because I do not believe in SCIENCE as its a temporary thing which ultimately is dependant on the ULTIMATE POWER.

So no offense for anybody's feeling, if anyone is hurt I am sorry.

MAJIKSTRANGER let me know if you have any further queries.

Regards

Sam

 

[sharpies]

GAUTAM BUDHDHA " who meditated for more than 21 Years

If I did that everyone would think I was a lazy bastard - I'd slowly starve to death - even the government would stop paying me & who would mow my lawn?

From an atheists point of view I can tell you that it was a terrible waste of 21 years of his very short time alive.

Allan

 

[Sam]

Dear Sharpies,

Not to worry Sir, you are gonna come back again in different shape and size .....

 

[majikstranger]

Lol Sammy great reply But i agree with Sharpie in one thing, he wasted alot of time. If you study anything about meditation and the way the mind works youll know that your supposed to be able to speed up time and live 20 years or more in a single minute. Just like when you are having fun and time flies or when you are in a life or death situation and time slows down. SO for him to be meditating for 21 years meant that he was doing it wrong for 20 years. I really dont beleive that we are given life to spend 20 years of it meditating. Dr Richard Bandler (creator of neuo linguistic programming) went to a buddhist and asked them what the secret they learn is. The buddhist said "if you become my student maybe after 20 years maybe youll be ready". Bandler in his infinite wisdom picked up the buddhist and hanged him over a cliff and said " I dont have 20 years, tell me now". the buddhist quickly agreed. moral of this true story, bandler used what he was told to develop a system to use in therapy and he saved himself 20 years

 

[FunkyIce]

People should be free to believe what they want to believe, and if we were all free t beleive things then their wouldnt be a war because you would respect my beleifs and i would respect yours. I respect that your agnostic and i am not attacking that i said "I" personally dont like labels. To many wars have ensued for labels. The fact you are taking it so personaly is a sign of a guilty conscience. Im sitting here agreeing with you for the most part an dyou still want me to jump on your bandwagon 100%.

Yes, I agree. People should be free to believe in what they want to believe, as long as those beliefs don’t harm other people. It is impossible for us to choose any belief and have permanent peace. For your ideal word to function, certain beliefs will have to be held down, then defeating your point to have a world where we can think freely. And, how am I having a guilty conscience? I am merely angered by your wild comments like the one in the previous sentence.

I posted all the different agnostic types because you said, that you as an agnostic are free to choose whatever and change your opinion. I merely pointed that as an agnostic you have to beleive one of those ideologies or your no longer an agnotic. If you cant see that then i dont know what to tell you. Im not saying it wrong or that you should change. agnostics are very cool and im borderline one. I though dont like to be labeled, thats my preference. He who angers you conquers you.

You still fail to see that labeling yourself as an agnostic is just applying a label to your belief. Let me make it clear what my belief is……I believe that we can never be 100% sure about anything, but we can make logical conclusions and use them as our foundations. Now, by that definition, I am an agnostic. By that definition, I can come to any conclusion I like, thus having freedom. My whole point is that using a label as an agnostic does not restrict you in any way. If you are going to make a comment, take agnosticism out of the sum.

yes you come off as aggressive and not in a good way, because if you cant express your beliefs and allow others to do the same, then why did you create this thread? Somehow you keep mutating what i am saying to mean agnosticism is wrong. Why is that?

Once you attach yourself to a label such as christian, agnostic, muslim etc etc, you are now a slave to it.Labels take a way your right to think for yourself because you have taken on a set of rules to live by that dictate your beleifs and thoughts on all matters.

This is a philosophy and debate thread. I am allowing you to express your view and then debating it. You have expressed your view, have you not? I think we have concluded that you are not arguing against agnosticism from your first post, so please stop brining that up. But you have placed agnosticism in a group where it does not belong, that is what I am arguing. I have pointed out that I, as an agnostic am taking on the label as an agnostic, but my right to think for myself has not been taken away, I am not a slave to that label. You fail to see that it is merely a label.

I agree certain beliefs lead to death but only when these beliefs are organized into a religion. whos to say that if you didnt have an army you wouldnt want to crucify me right now, especially with your aggressiveness. Lol and the funny part is that i agree with your beliefs and yet you still are fightingan invisible enemy

No, beliefs do not only lead to death when they are organized into religion. Someone can have a personal belief that justifies killing for emotional pleasure. This belief is possessed by one individual and the end result is death. So, please don’t state these things as if they are facts. Oh, and the comment about me crucifying you, please, don’t avoid the discussion by making childish remarks.

they call themselves that, therefore i have to use those labels but id prefer to call them my brothers and sister and fellow human.

Yes, but the agnostic title has no place in the point you were trying to prove.

My coment was a rhetorical question. You siad you are agostic but as an agnostic your free to decide whatever you want and change your mind at will, and i agree. But its still a title.

Yes, I think everyone reading this thread is aware that agnosticism is a title….. But that title does not restrict you in any way. Please, think through your thoughts before you display them. This is the exact reason why I am so angered by what you say. I have just demonstrated that I disagree with many of your statements. In your first post, you posted that labels take away your right to think, now you are saying that it does not take away your right to think. You seem to change your point of view very often. Like I said, , think through your thoughts before you display them.

To end this is i still say i dont understand what your problem is with what ive said. The fact that i call myself an agnostic should let you know that i beleive in agnosticism, the rest of my post was geared toward a philisophical ideal that was just placed out their to ponder on. I mean really tell me what is the problem, or do you just not like debates?

Yes, yes, yes, I am aware that you call yourself an agnostic, but this has nothing to do with that. I am merely responding to random comments such as, “certain beliefs lead to death but only when these beliefs are organized into a religion.”

 

[majikstranger]

Funky, i still fail to see what you are arguing about. i mentioned christianity and islam and mormons, but i guess its ok to poke fun at them. how do you call this a debate when all you care to do is force me to believe what you beleive. All i said was this is my opinion. All in all i don't really care, we arent really saying anthing, we agree for 90 percent of what we are discussing and im not gonna keep going in circles over a useless 10 percent that means nothing either way. But here this is what you want. Agnosticsm is the greatest belief out their. All other religions are bad but agnosticism leaves you completely free. Dd that make it all better

 

[FunkyIce]

Funky, i still fail to see what you are arguing about. i mentioned christianity and islam and mormons, but i guess its ok to poke fun at them. how do you call this a debate when all you care to do is force me to believe what you beleive. All i said was this is my opinion. All in all i don't really care, we arent really saying anthing, we agree for 90 percent of what we are discussing and im not gonna keep going in circles over a useless 10 percent that means nothing either way. But here this is what you want. Agnosticsm is the greatest belief out their. All other religions are bad but agnosticism leaves you completely free. Dd that make it all better

Did I ask you to say that agnosticism is the greatest belief? No
If you post something as absurd as, “certain beliefs lead to death but only when these beliefs are organized into a religion”, all I can do is laugh. I have supplied you with an answer that states otherwise, yet you say it is your opinion. Seeing that you have abandoned the discussion, I can only assume one thing……..

 

[majikstranger]

Sir the only thing absurd here is your ego. If you manage to take time out of stroking your oversized pompous, hiding under the excuse of open minded, ego you might realize the maneur and hate youu are infecting your own thread with. I remained polite and civil with you and even tried to find a middle ground, but apparently for someone who claims to not know the truth, you sure belittle others for your "truths"(hmmm sounds like every other religion) . You see my beleifs dont require you to believe them because mines are that powerful on their own. My beliefs call you a brother of mines and make me want to befriend you. My beleifs wants all of us here to get along and have civil debates. On the other hand, your beliefs require you to attack my belioefs and that of others to give yours more credence.

yes i claimed this “certain beliefs lead to death but only when these beliefs are organized into a religion”. Why? because if we are all free to belive what we wish, as long as they dont hurt anyone else then what harm can come of it, except the harm you cause your self. You could beleive all hippies are against gods will but if you don't have the power of a backing for example a religion or a cult or a click, then you really cant do anything. And if you do act on it then you go to jail and your era is over. If we were all free to beleive what we wanted and we were taught to be free minded and accept others for who they are then we would live in an intellectual society that need not have religions or a need for the same type of hate you are delivering right now. Intellectuals debate each other no matter how far fetched and find solutions, the uneducated are always fighting for others belief.

Think of your negativity right now, how do you think you are helping your cause, in doing so you are proving me right and proving yourself to be an ill tempered person with no self restraint. what you are doing right now is what leads to violence. What i have said in this thread leads to peace and respect for each other. I am almost dissapointed i took the time to respond to your ignorance but if you wanna sit here and try to insult me then i cant keep up trying to keep the peace. Me and Sharpie managed to find common ground but you seem to just be contempt trying to rule this board. I know im the new guy and i come in here confidently with my "own" opinions and you probably feel threatened, but beleive me id rather be debating you educatedly and as a friend instead of as barberians, wich is were you seem to want to drag this convo. What ever it is thats got you feeling this hostile, resolve it, but stop spreading your hate to the world

 

[Sam]

This for those who still are confused :

Material World
At present, the material world is the only world we know. Science tells us that we're on one planet among many, in one galaxy among many, in one solitary universe of incomprehensible size and complexity.
The Vedas tell us more. They say that this universe is one among countless others, each at least as big and complex as this one.
The Vedas also tell us that the material world has a creator, and He created it with a purpose. In pursuit of that purpose, He has placed living beings on every planet in every universe, most in forms now imperceptible to us.

Purpose
Most souls live happily with GOD in the spiritual world. But some rebel against His authority and want to try to enjoy outside their relationship with Him. To fulfill and reform this unnatural desire, GOD creates the material world.
By constitution we spiritual souls belong in the spiritual world. Like fish out of water, we can never find lasting happiness in the material world. Here, we accept bodies subject to disease, destruction, and countless other miseries. Because we are here by choice, we cannot hold GOD responsible for the suffering we must endure. Besides, in human life we always have the chance to give up our rebellious nature, cultivate our innate love for GOD, and return to our home in the spiritual world.
Because of His intense love for each of us, GOD does not abandon us here. As the Supersoul, He accompanies us in whatever body we accept. And He sends scriptures and spiritually awakened teachers to reveal our true, spiritual identity and lead us home.

Time
Although one might assume that time is a fundamental aspect of reality, it is in fact a feature only of the material world. Time as we know it does not exist in the spiritual world. As difficult as it is to comprehend, in the spiritual world things take place even though there is no past or future.
Without time, nothing happens in the material world. As the most powerful force in the world, time is considered GOD . Time controls everything, and God controls time. With the rising and setting of the sun, everyone’s life is diminished by the influence of time.
Time is relative. A year in higher planetary systems is much longer than a year on earth, and beings on higher planets live for extremely long periods of time by our estimation.

Components of Material World
the material world as the field of activity for the soul and divide matter into twenty-four basic components. The interaction of these twenty-four constitutes everything that goes on in the material world. We souls are transcendental to these interactions but are affected by them because we identify with the material bodies we inhabit.
God is the source of all these components, and by reconnecting them to Him through devotional service, we can spiritualize our field of activity. This is the essence of the practices of devotion ( meditation )
The five great elements:
Earth (solid)
Water (liquid)
Fire (radiant energy)
Air (gas)
Ether (space)
The subtle elements:
Mind
Intelligence
False ego

The three modes of material nature:

goodness, passion, ignorance

The five working senses:
Voice (speech)
Legs (walking)
Hands (grasping)
Anus (evacuation)
Genitals (reproduction)

The five knowledge-gathering senses:

Eyes (seeing)
Ears (hearing)
Nose (smelling)
Tongue (tasting)
Touch (feeling)

The five objects of the senses:
Form
Sound
Scent
Taste
Touch

Regards

Sam

 

[Sam]

Bottom Line is " GOD EXISTS IN EACH AND EVERY ONE OF US, THOSE WHO BELIEVE OR NO WE JUST NEED TO REALISE AND FIRMLY BELIEVE THAT HE IS THERE FOR US ALL TIME BECASE HE LOVES US INSPITE OF US ASKING QUESTIONS ABOUT HIS EXISTENCE AND QUERIES RELATED WITH HIS PERFORMANCE... NO ONE REALLY CARES TO IMPROVIZE HIMSELF/HERSELF.... " People can just come up saying that Budhdha wasted 21 Years of his life meditating, but just think of one thing the highest level of respect he recieved from GOD, which is known as " NIRVANA " which in another words means no LIFE AND BIRTH RE-CYCLE.

I would request those who are confused with false beliefs about God, to try one small thing I am going to tell you...... Early morning say at around 6.30 am get up , wash your mouth , finish all your natural activities .... after that drink a glass of milk ( without sugar ) and sit on the floor for 10 min meditation.... try to control your mind and heart in such a way that your mind should not get diverted .... I bet no one not even me is possible to do this..this requires utter faith and dedication... practise this for sometime and then one day will come when you practise for 3 hrs your mind will be in control for just 3 minutes
( just an example ).... So people who said Budhdha wasted 21 Years for no use ...next time beware what you are saying ..its very easy to accuse anyone but place your self in that position and count how many years you will take to attain that GOAL of LIFE....

Anyone having any queries with related topic please revert back to me.

Regards

Sam

 

[majikstranger]

I agree Sam and thanks for taking the time to write that. I really do beleive whatever concept of zgod we have is inside of us. Our problem is in trying to find him outside of us, praying to the skies, looking for him in statues, in material things. One must only look within oneself honestly without the lies and delusions we create to remain in our safe haven of societies pre conceived notion, and thats where youll find god

 

[sharpies]

Yeah right - meditation leads to nirvana & God looks after all his lost souls & forgives them their trespasses & pigs might fly.

Sorry guys but to a grown adult who can think for himself, this sounds way too much like fairytales. I have always believed that we tell our kids 3 lies in childhood - the Easter Bunny, Santa Claus & God.

Allan

 

[Sam]

Dear SHARPIES,

Kool so if you are married by chance and if you have any kids by any chance you lie to them ????? tat explains your belief

Anyways I won't force anyone to change their views but there will be a point of time when you will find no option than to accept the ULTIMATE TRUTH and that is the ALMIGHTY GOD.......................Whenever you say that GOD is myth or disagree his existence that many times your BRAIN/SOUL/MIND agrees that he is their but refuses to accepts the truth so you are 45 now its the right time to seek the truth rather showing disbelief.

Regards

Sam

 

[Sam]

Dear Majik,

Thanks for your appreciation.

Regards

Sam

 

[sharpies]

Whenever you say that GOD is myth or disagree his existence that many times your BRAIN/SOUL/MIND agrees that he is their but refuses to accepts the truth

So you think that by denying the existence of God that I am really proving his existence.

Wow, going by that logic - all I have to do is to go to the bank, tell them I have no money in my account & then make a big withdrawl of the cash that will suddenly appear.

mmm...

Allan

 

[Sam]

Dear Sharpies,

Its not too late to change to accept his PRESENCE its just your false ego is coming in your way....but I am sure you will change



Regards

Sam

 

[FunkyIce]

Sir the only thing absurd here is your ego. If you manage to take time out of stroking your oversized pompous, hiding under the excuse of open minded, ego you might realize the maneur and hate youu are infecting your own thread with. I remained polite and civil with you and even tried to find a middle ground, but apparently for someone who claims to not know the truth, you sure belittle others for your "truths"(hmmm sounds like every other religion) . You see my beleifs dont require you to believe them because mines are that powerful on their own. My beliefs call you a brother of mines and make me want to befriend you. My beleifs wants all of us here to get along and have civil debates. On the other hand, your beliefs require you to attack my belioefs and that of others to give yours more credence.

yes i claimed this “certain beliefs lead to death but only when these beliefs are organized into a religion”. Why? because if we are all free to belive what we wish, as long as they dont hurt anyone else then what harm can come of it, except the harm you cause your self. You could beleive all hippies are against gods will but if you don't have the power of a backing for example a religion or a cult or a click, then you really cant do anything. And if you do act on it then you go to jail and your era is over. If we were all free to beleive what we wanted and we were taught to be free minded and accept others for who they are then we would live in an intellectual society that need not have religions or a need for the same type of hate you are delivering right now. Intellectuals debate each other no matter how far fetched and find solutions, the uneducated are always fighting for others belief.

Think of your negativity right now, how do you think you are helping your cause, in doing so you are proving me right and proving yourself to be an ill tempered person with no self restraint. what you are doing right now is what leads to violence. What i have said in this thread leads to peace and respect for each other. I am almost dissapointed i took the time to respond to your ignorance but if you wanna sit here and try to insult me then i cant keep up trying to keep the peace. Me and Sharpie managed to find common ground but you seem to just be contempt trying to rule this board. I know im the new guy and i come in here confidently with my "own" opinions and you probably feel threatened, but beleive me id rather be debating you educatedly and as a friend instead of as barberians, wich is were you seem to want to drag this convo. What ever it is thats got you feeling this hostile, resolve it, but stop spreading your hate to the world

I’m hoping that this post will end this.
No, I’m not claiming to have any facts, but I come to logical conclusions, which is why I agree with atheism to some degree. All you have managed to do is state things as if they are truths, I respond to your opinions, you get offended and then attack me by saying I have a large ego. In my books, that is a very, very childish reaction. Seeing that you still have not given me any reason to doubt my conclusions, I assume you don’t have any.