What is your belief?

[majikstranger]

I never said being agnostic restricted you in anyway, wich is why i say i am agnostic. I was born a catholic and chose being agnostic because of the freedom. Like i said, i choose to say im agnostic because it embodies my philosophies the best. I also say im not really just because like you said " you dont know", well "i dont know" the truth either. i am really not agnostic, not because i disagree with agnostics but because their are variables in that beleif such as stated below

• Strong agnosticism (also called hard agnosticism, closed agnosticism, strict agnosticism, absolute agnosticism)—the view that the question of the existence of deities is unknowable by nature or that human beings are ill-equipped to judge the evidence.
• Weak agnosticism (also called soft agnosticism, open agnosticism, empirical agnosticism, temporal agnosticism)—the view that the existence or nonexistence of God or gods is currently unknown but is not necessarily unknowable, therefore one will withhold judgement until more evidence is available.
• Apathetic agnosticism—the view that there is no proof either of God's existence or nonexistence, but since God (if there is one) appears unconcerned for the universe or the welfare of its inhabitants, the question is largely academic.
• Ignosticism—the view that the concept of God as a being is meaningless because it has no verifiable consequences, therefore it cannot be usefully discussed as having existence or nonexistence. See scientific method.
• Model agnosticism—the view that philosophical and metaphysical questions are not ultimately verifiable but that a model of malleable assumption should be built upon rational thought. This branch of agnosticism does not focus on a deity's existence.
• Agnostic theism (also called religious agnosticism)—the view of those who do not claim to know God's existence, but still believe in such an existence. (See Knowledge vs. Beliefs)
• Agnostic spiritualism—the view that there may or may not be a god (or gods), while maintaining a general personal belief in a spiritual aspect of reality, particularly without distinct religious basis, or adherence to any established doctrine or dogma.
• Agnostic atheism—the view of those who do not know if God does or does not exist, and who do not believe in God

as you can see depending on wich agnostic you are, their is a defined view point that you have to subscribe to. If you have freedom and dont beleive anything really because you dont know, then why do you have the title agnostic to describe whatyou dont believe? . It is my personal preference to not be defined by anything at all. But saying im agnostic does embody the spirit of my beleifs pretty well so to satisfy peoples curiosity i do say i am one. So once again im not knocking anyone who is agnostic nor do i knock anyone else who wants to beleive anything else. I believe we should all be free to beleive what we wish to beleive. I seriously dont see how you took offence to what i said but whatever it was plese explain. I feel that whenever you take on a title you have something to defend as you just did with me .You hold loyalty to that title and thats ok, i just personally rather not have a beleif system to defend. my loyalty is towards having an opinion and changing it at will and your right to do the same. In reality mostly everything i said in my previous post was not directed to agnostics at all. So by trying to disprove me you actually proved me right Q.E.D (Hitchhickers guide to the Galaxy humor, so dont take offence).

I like the fact you challenged me, its always nice to have a debate though try not to do it in such a hostile manner as if i have no clue what im talking about. I respect your opinions and definately hope to hear more of them. So ill be waiting. Your move

 

[sharpies]

Lol, I never thought I would hear myself agreeing with Allan in a Religious Thread.. But on this one I think I have to.

For some crazy reason I just thought this needed quoting on this thread particularly as it shows that two differing viewpoints can, at least, agree on one thing.

Are you saying i am messed up? and that im a shit stirrer?

Actually I said that you were one or the other. It seems to me that you are just making random statements to get a rise rather than putting forward objective viewpoints.

Allan

 

[majikstranger]

Damn Sharpie you really are bad judge of character. I am none of the things you have said. Look for my other post and then tell me if im a shit stirrer or really messed up. I actually am an administrator of a professional site that researches conspiracies and alternative theories and politics. Before then I was a moderator in a forum with over 60,000 members. The reason why you think that of me is because i am used to being in a forum where everything i am saying is common knowledge and they understand it. So its my fault for being presumptous in thinking you guys knew what i was talking about. By the way why don't you point out the parts you find outrageous, and do give people more of a chance instead of criticising them as you have done me without knowing or asking questions. Second shit stirring is having my post deleted because i stated a belief people have around the world that i didnt necessarily say was mines, but it is a part of history. Thats called censorship and unprofessionalism. Ivenever deleted anyones post in my forums no matter how outlandish unless they were flaming. Or is this board telling me that its better then i am and that my years of knowledge and study and library of ancient text is useless compared to your infinite widom

P.S. nothing i said was random i said certain things and i went back and backed them up, and another member asked me a question and i answered his question. Whats random about that. God forbid i jott down beliefs in a thread called "Whats Your Belief:" or did i miss the part that said "Whats your belief...that conforms to the limits of mines?". I feel dissapointed, i really liked this site and made some friends and felt i could speak openly here without judgement. What a shame.

 

[elluko]

This thread is getting pretty deep!
At least Im learning from you guy's posts.

 

[majikstranger]

Sorry double post
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6056789081969524094&q=atlantis

 

[majikstranger]

its getting so deep that my firsts post were deleted even though i did nothing but state a belief. I didnt act unproffesionally, i didnt talk bad to anyone. I merely stated something that is factual and if you dont beleive me heres proof.

Here are google video links of proffesionals discussing the same things i mentioned in my deleted posts. here is my evidence im legitametly speaking and if you dont have time to look up my claims then why was my post deleted. Like i said im not saying i agree 100 percewnt with the beloe but it is a part of our culture so why censor it.

This is from Wikipedia
Anunnaki - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

These are different Jordan Maxwell Videos Discussing what i talked about.
Jordan Maxwell Toxic Religion - Illuminati - Alex Jones - David Icke - Masonic - Google Video
Jordan Maxwell: Ancient Belief Systems geocities.com/ariainvictus - Google Video
Jordan Maxwell -Basic Slideshow Presentation (Hidden Symbols) - Google Video
Jordan Maxwell: Toxic Religion geocities.com/ariainvictus - Google Video


Michael Tsarion
2012 - The Future of Mankind - Google Video
The Origins of Evil - Michael Tsarion - Google Video
The Destruction Of Atlantis [Michael Tsarion] - Google Video

 

[Haus]

im not to sure what i believe. i believe there is a GOD. but im not sure how we all envolved. that is something i would love to know but probally will never know.

 

[elluko]

Do you believe that Christ/Jesus is our savior/Messiah? or just god?

 

[sharpies]

Majikstranger, I am sorry if you took offence. It was not my intent to piss you off. I am only looking at this thread from my viewpoint & it seems to me that every time the comments eased you came back with another "fact".

Maybe it was only me. Really I guess I was having a giggle at your comment about Alien Gods & went a little overboard but in my defence I am extremely sarcastic & unfortunately that does not come across on the computer that well.

Truly no harm meant.

Allan

 

[majikstranger]

Hey no problem man, i was upset because you know im not enforcing my opinion like others do, im just saying things that i think some might find interesting. I was especially shocked because i read your previous post and was anxious to hear what you had to say and being called a shit stirrer or messed up (especially since i hate people who do that) was shocking. But none the less i just like debating and having deep conversations. I like hearing different opinionsand i like expressing different ones too. So hopefully we may meet on a better thread exchanging thoughts.

 

[Peter Parka]

Wow! Never realised there were so many kinds of agnostism. I don't think I really fall into any of those catogories though. As I said before, I believe in God but I don't really like religion. I believe that God is love and as such would be quite happy with me as he knows that whatever I've done he knows that I'm trying to be a good person.

 

[majikstranger]

Yup, i totally agree

 

[Sam]

I believe and have FAITH in God...... It's ridiculous of those people who say they do not believe in GOD..... First of all we should all remember one thing that God is not ASSUMABLE... He is there if we call him from our heart.. The moment you take a doubt on his existence no matter how long you pray or you be nice to the rest of the world he won't give a damm to you...

So don't think that he's not there and not doing anything for us... He is watching each and everyone of us ....each action is captured nothing can escape from his sight....

So the ultimae truth in this MATERIAL WORLD is that he is the ULTIMATE TRUTH because if you attain his Goal ..you will be free from this Virtual World which is again a FAKE created by him to test us... so that we can show him in this life that we care for him and love him..

 

[majikstranger]

Sam i have a question for you and im not challenging you, i just realy want to see what youre answers to this is and whats you opinion is

you said

.you will be free from this Virtual World which is again a FAKE created by him to test us

Is that what God does, create things and then puts them to the challenge, if he is all knowing, why do you have to prove yourself, he should already know the answer. What do you think of that statement?

you also said

He is watching each and everyone of us ....each action is captured nothing can escape from his sight

so does god have a physical apperance? what does he look like? and what is God?

 

[FunkyIce]

I never said being agnostic restricted you in anyway, wich is why i say i am agnostic. I was born a catholic and chose being agnostic because of the freedom. Like i said, i choose to say im agnostic because it embodies my philosophies the best. I also say im not really just because like you said " you dont know", well "i dont know" the truth either. i am really not agnostic, not because i disagree with agnostics but because their are variables in that beleif such as stated below


as you can see depending on wich agnostic you are, their is a defined view point that you have to subscribe to. If you have freedom and dont beleive anything really because you dont know, then why do you have the title agnostic to describe whatyou dont believe? . It is my personal preference to not be defined by anything at all. But saying im agnostic does embody the spirit of my beleifs pretty well so to satisfy peoples curiosity i do say i am one. So once again im not knocking anyone who is agnostic nor do i knock anyone else who wants to beleive anything else. I believe we should all be free to beleive what we wish to beleive. I seriously dont see how you took offence to what i said but whatever it was plese explain. I feel that whenever you take on a title you have something to defend as you just did with me .You hold loyalty to that title and thats ok, i just personally rather not have a beleif system to defend. my loyalty is towards having an opinion and changing it at will and your right to do the same. In reality mostly everything i said in my previous post was not directed to agnostics at all. So by trying to disprove me you actually proved me right Q.E.D (Hitchhickers guide to the Galaxy humor, so dont take offence).

I like the fact you challenged me, its always nice to have a debate though try not to do it in such a hostile manner as if i have no clue what im talking about. I respect your opinions and definately hope to hear more of them. So ill be waiting. Your move

Please, don’t post all these different agnostic views. I know where you are coming from but I don’t think you know where I am coming from. If you read my post, you would have seen that I said “I, as an agnostic”. I repeated these words many times in my post. I am aware that there are different views on agnosticism that is why I used the word, “I.” Nevertheless, all these views fall under agnosticism. Like you get cats, dogs, deer, they all fall under the group called mammals. These animals may not be the same but we structure them into a specific group. So no, I still call myself an agnostic and it does not matter what type of agnostic I am, I still put myself under that label. Labeling yourself as an agnostic is just structuring your mind. And, if I can remember correctly, you said that putting a label on yourself chains you to that belief. And I remember that you used agnosticism, Christianity etc, to prove your point.

On to the next issues: You said that we should all be free to believe what we want to believe. On this topic, I definitely disagree. Certain beliefs resulted in the death of millions.

If you have freedom and dont beleive anything really because you dont know, then why do you have the title agnostic to describe whatyou dont believe?

Of course I have beliefs and from my beliefs I will label myself, but I will never say that my belief is an ultimate truth and at the same time, I will never say that another person’s belief is totally false. I don’t see why you would ask a question like this. I’m not defending my point of view, I am merely expressing it.


Oh, I am aware that I come across as aggressive but don’t take it as an insult. I just like to be very direct.

 

[majikstranger]

People should be free to believe what they want to believe, and if we were all free t beleive things then their wouldnt be a war because you would respect my beleifs and i would respect yours. I respect that your agnostic and i am not attacking that i said "I" personally dont like labels. To many wars have ensued for labels. The fact you are taking it so personaly is a sign of a guilty conscience. Im sitting here agreeing with you for the most part an dyou still want me to jump on your bandwagon 100%.

I posted all the different agnostic types because you said, that you as an agnostic are free to choose whatever and change your opinion. I merely pointed that as an agnostic you have to beleive one of those ideologies or your no longer an agnotic. If you cant see that then i dont know what to tell you. Im not saying it wrong or that you should change. agnostics are very cool and im borderline one. I though dont like to be labeled, thats my preference. He who angers you conquers you.

yes you come off as agressive and not in a good way, because if you cant express your beliefs and allow others to do the same, then why did you create this thread? Somehow you keep mutating what i am saying to mean agnosticism is wrong. Why is that?

On to the next issues: You said that we should all be free to believe what we want to believe. On this topic, I definitely disagree. Certain beliefs resulted in the death of millions.

Well then again why did you create this post asking for peoples beliefs. I agree certain beliefs lead to death but only when these beliefs are organized into a religion. whos to say that if you didnt have an army you wouldnt want to crucify me right now, especially with your aggressiveness. Lol and the funny part is that i agree with your beliefs and yet you still are fightingan invisible enemy

And, if I can remember correctly, you said that putting a label on yourself chains you to that belief. And I remember that you used agnosticism, Christianity etc, to prove your point.

they call themselves that, therefore i have to use those labels but id prefer to call them my brothers and sister and fellow human

Of course I have beliefs and from my beliefs I will label myself, but I will never say that my belief is an ultimate truth and at the same time, I will never say that another person’s belief is totally false. I don’t see why you would ask a question like this

My coment was a rhetorical question. You siad you are agostic but as an agnostic your free to decide whatever you want and change your mind at will, and i agree. But its still a title.

Listen we are gonna use titles regardless its as you said structuring your mind. I didnt say i didnt use labels i just said i dont like to use them, so whenever i can i dont use them.


To end this is i still say i dont understand what your problem is with what ive said. The fact that i call myself an agnostic should let you know that i beleive in agnosticism, the rest of my post was geared toward a philisophical ideal that was just placed out their to ponder on. I mean really tell me what is the problem, or do you just not like debates?

 

[Sam]

Dear Majikstranger,

I will be more than happy to answer ur questions, right now I am at work... as soon as I reach home you will get all your answers.


Regards

Sam

 

[BlueKitty2]

I am an atheist by choice, not up bringing. The notion that any one person or being should be worshipped and held above all others is absurd. Rabid religious groups around the world are responsible for more death, destruction, and violence in the name of their "god" than any other group of people. With that thought in mind, is it right to believe in something that breeds so much misery?

 

[sharpies]

People should be free to believe what they want to believe, and if we were all free t beleive things then their wouldnt be a war because you would respect my beleifs and i would respect yours.

Absolutely right - we should be free to believe whatever we want & to respect other peoples beliefs. Today while trawling the net I found a version of an Ancient religion that believes that all vegetarians are an affront to the great God Garzokka (all hail Garzokka) & that it is His followers duty to ensure that all vegetarians are sacrificed to Him.

I have found much truth in His words & from today I intend to sacrifice as many vegetarians as I can in His honour. All hail the great Garzokka.

Good thing I am free to believe anything I want otherwise I could get into trouble but all the freedom of religion laws should protect me after all I am only doing His bidding.

All hail the great Garzokka.




Allan

 

[majikstranger]

Funny setup SHarpie lol but to aswer the question

Go Ahead believe that god but when you go to prison and are some big burly man named Stiff's wife everynight, enjoy it. See you are free to believe and do as you wish but guess what, you are also free to suffer those consequneces. Thats what freedom is about, being solely responsible for your actions.

No one knows the truth. Truth is just what the masses perception is at any given time. So it isnt my place to judge what others think or beleive, If i think its wrong, i might try and show them my reasoning but eventually that person has to be responsible for their choices and accept the consequences. That type of mentality of you deciding what is accetable to belive is what lead to wars.