What is Islam? - a brief investigation

[Godsloveapples]

Very good. So suicide bombers are not following Islam's teachings? Why then has Al Queda's method's not been denounced by the Islam community and Osama Bin Laden denounced as a bloody murderer? To clarify, this is not intended as a judgmental statement, just a question.

Those links are current events, nothing more but hopeful signs imo.

Yes, suicide bombers are not following Islam's teachings. AL Qadea and Osama have been denounced by the Islamic community as murderers. Link: Islam denounces terrorism.com

 

[Godsloveapples]

All very interesting .....but it did nothing to answer the question did it? The question was 'Why should we believe that your god created everything and not the Hindu god?....... or the Greek god or any of the other gods that are worshipped or have been worshipped in the past?

Do the other Gods or religions have any proof? Because in Islam, the Quran provides proof for Gods existence.

 

[Goat Whisperer]

brother,

They do so by order of social customs, how can Islam be the responsible ?
If you guess that Islam order so, you have to give me the states from the quran or Hadith which.
You should know that I believe In Islam, not muslims.

K well I can still call Muslims sexist cuz you just called me brother when clearly I'm a girl. That kind of prejudicial stuff in religions is wrong.

 

[pladecalvo]

Do the other Gods or religions have any proof? Because in Islam, the Quran provides proof for Gods existence.

Well it's not "proof" is it. It just says that your god exists but that doesn't make it true....... and all other religious texts provide an equal amount of proof to the believer as the Qur'an does for you. Christians believe that the Bible proves their god exists as does the Bhagavad Gita for Hindus.

 

[Godsloveapples]

Well it's not "proof" is it. It just says that your god exists but that doesn't make it true....... and all other religious texts provide an equal amount of proof to the believer as the Qur'an does for you. Christians believe that the Bible proves their god exists as does the Bhagavad Gita for Hindus.

No, hon. Islam says more than that. All other religious texts do not provide an equal amount of proof to the believer as the Quran does. Would you like to know about the proofs the Quran provides?

 

[Godsloveapples]

K well I can still call Muslims sexist cuz you just called me brother when clearly I'm a girl. That kind of prejudicial stuff in religions is wrong.

You're wrong, Abrianna. You can't call all Muslims sexist. I'm sure that this guy made a mistake, nevertheless, it doesn't mean that he's sexist or that all the other Muslims are. You shouldn't judge a religion by one persons actions.

 

[Goat Whisperer]

You're wrong, Abrianna. You can't call all Muslims sexist. I'm sure that this guy made a mistake, nevertheless, it doesn't mean that he's sexist or that all the other Muslims are. You shouldn't judge a religion by one persons actions.

The whole religion isn't sexist, just most of the men are. Look at it, the fact the women EVER even are forced to cover there hair, let alone there faces and anlkes; and men aren't, shows sexism. I studied what they believe in school, as I said, and a lot of their teachings show men portrayed higher then women. A lot of there religion is based on sexism, and a lot of them are sexist.

 

[Godsloveapples]

The whole religion isn't sexist, just most of the men are. Look at it, the fact the women EVER even are forced to cover there hair, let alone there faces and anlkes; and men aren't, shows sexism. I studied what they believe in school, as I said, and a lot of their teachings show men portrayed higher then women. A lot of there religion is based on sexism, and a lot of them are sexist.

The women are not forced to cover their hair, believe me, I know.

The Islamic teachings about modest dress apply to any person, male or female. Prophet Muhammad is quoted as saying: "...If the woman reaches the age of puberty, no part of her body should be seen but this --- and he pointed to his face and hands."

The requirements for women over the age of puberty are:
1) Clothing must cover the entire body, with the exception of the face and the hands.
2) The attire should not be form fitting, sheer or so eye-catching as to attract undue attention or reveal the shape of the body.

Islam does this do give the women a high status. She is not a sex toy. She is not there for guys to drool over. Many ask ''But do Muslim women actually enjoy wearing it when its baking outside?'' Yes it can get hot. It can be uncomfortable at times. But it gives you this special sort of power. No person can give you those disgusting looks which lower women to dirty scums.

There are similar, yet less obvious requirements for a Muslim male's attire.
1) A Muslim man must always be covered from the navel to the knees.
2) A Muslim man should similarly not wear tight, sheer, revealing, or eye-catching clothing. In addition, a Muslim man is prohibited from wearing silk clothing (except for medical reasons) or gold jewelry. A Muslim woman may wear silk or gold.

Modest clothing is worn in obedience to God and has nothing to do with submissiveness to men. Not all Muslim women wear the head scarf (hijab) right? Some Muslim women choose not to wear hijab. Some may want to wear it but believe they cannot get a job wearing a head scarf. Others may not be aware of the requirement or are under the mistaken impression that wearing hijab is an indication of inferior status.

 

[Minor Axis]

The lexical meaning of Islam is submission, and adherence to the commands of Allah without objection

yep... you lost me right about there.

My gosh, another religion built on control?

See, there are pictures of them as well:

I may be ignorant about Islam but it has always appeared to me that wrapping women up in loose fitting clothes from head to foot has something to do with women as second class citizens and sexual property. In other words, I don't want you lusting after my property.

Am I close? If not, an explanation would be appreciated.

for Islam, God forgive you in three cases:

-if you never heared about islam in your life.
-if you heared about islam but not enough to call attention.
-if you heard only lies about it, but you couldn't investigate the matter (you had not the means).

But if you heared about islam enough to call attention, and you had the means to search and discover the truth. however you didn't anything, you are sentenced by God.

these days, mostly of people heared about islam enough to call attention (By the media). and there are many websites to help them to discover the reality of Islam ( they have the means) so they have to make an effort.

Interesting... that sounds like your getting more slack than with the Christians.

 

[Minor Axis]

Yes, suicide bombers are not following Islam's teachings. AL Qadea and Osama have been denounced by the Islamic community as murderers. Link: Islam denounces terrorism.com

Thank you! My understanding is that in the Middle East general support for suicide bombing has dropped substantially.

 

[Sylviane88]

K well I can still call Muslims sexist cuz you just called me brother when clearly I'm a girl. That kind of prejudicial stuff in religions is wrong.

You're wrong, Abrianna. You can't call all Muslims sexist. I'm sure that this guy made a mistake, nevertheless, it doesn't mean that he's sexist or that all the other Muslims are. You shouldn't judge a religion by one persons actions.

Thank you brother. Indeed, it was just a lack of attention no more. But the strange is the conclusion and the interpreting of the matter by this sister !!! I don't know how she interprets anything on the basis of sex. I didn't think of it at all. Weird !!!.

The whole religion isn't sexist, just most of the men are

Well we follow the religion, not these men .

Well it's not "proof" is it. It just says that your god exists but that doesn't make it true....... and all other religious texts provide an equal amount of proof to the believer as the Qur'an does for you. Christians believe that the Bible proves their god exists as does the Bhagavad Gita for Hindus.

No, hon. Islam says more than that. All other religious texts do not provide an equal amount of proof to the believer as the Quran does. Would you like to know about the proofs the Quran provides?

here, to not say it's just my opinion, I found some useful and interesting links:

The Religion of Islam - Category: Evidence Islam is Truth
The Religion of Islam - Category: The Existence of God
The Religion of Islam - Category: Logical Proofs
The Religion of Islam - Category: The Scientific Miracles of the Holy Quran

 

[Sylviane88]

Yahoo!?!?! Isn't that an internet search engine??

Yes, but what is the obstacle that the company was Jewish and named itself like its GOD? ... That is very possible ! ...

 

[Sylviane88]

My friend was born and raised in Saudi and was Muslim until about 10 years ago when he became atheist.

Surely he didn't understand Islam well. because it is impossible .. believe me .. it is impossible for a muslim ( who understand his religion very well) to become atheist !

 

[Godsloveapples]

Thank you! My understanding is that in the Middle East general support for suicide bombing has dropped substantially.

Glad to hear that.

 

[Andre]

Brother, the bible has said so not me, read:

what JOHN says about his GOD:

(JOHN 5:6) : """ And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth """.

(JOHN 17:14) : """These shall make war with the Lamb, and the Lamb shall overcome them: for he is Lord of lords, and King of kings"""

my brother, I guess you're christian, forgive me , I do not want to deride you ! - and I hope that does not believe so - on the contrary: I greatly respect you and anyone here. but what kind of god is that which is described/portrayed/viewed as a lamb, a sheep? And with seven eyes and seven horns?!

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For christianism: there are hundreds of things that prevent me to choose it ! ... ex: the clear contradictions in the Bible (computational .. historical .. logical ...) .. the human nature of the creator of the universe ! ... etc ..

I see you have used New Testament examples as I thought you would. Please find reference to God being a sheep or having seven horns in Jewish scriptures before criticising Judaism's view of the creator.

The passages you mentioned we supposedly written by a man called John the Revelator on the Isle of Patmos, however the book you are quoting from is called Revelation, not John. There is some doubt about whether the author of Revelation and the the Book of John were actually the same person (or indeed if John was actually written by a man named John at all!)

In the first passage you mentioned (REV 5:6) Jesus is NOT God. He is standing "in the midst of the throne". The being ON the throne is God, and Jesus is standing in front of him. If you go back one chapter you get a description of God sitting on the throne.

REV 4:2-3 And immediately I was in the spirit: and, behold, a throne was set in heaven, and one sat on the throne. And he that sat was to look upon like a jasper and a sardine stone: and there was a rainbow round about the throne, in sight like unto an emerald.

You have mentioned several times in this thread the idea that Jesus is God. Admittedly this IS a question for some Christians, but the GENERAL Christian belief is that God is three distinct individuals:

God the Father
God the Son (Jesus Christ)
God the Holy Spirit

This is the concept of the TRINITY which you surely must have encountered when researching religion for those three years. It is indeed one of the reasons that Islam rejects Christianity my man! According to Islam it is ridiculous to believe that Allah would have had a son. Jesus Christ is supposedly the SON of God, and fully God, but NOT God himself in one person.

As for Jesus being described as The Lamb, this is usually believed to symbolise his innocence and especially his sacrifice, though the original Greek also suggests vulnerability. Jesus is described as a "lamb that has been slain" (basically murdered).

It would just be wasting time to further explore the symbolism of the seven horns with eyes, but horns are used as symbols throughout the book of Revelation, and not just referring to Jesus, but also to supposedly evil men - who all Christians realise will not actually have horns on their heads if they appear.

I do not know whether I am Christian or not I am sorry, so your guess is right and wrong. I was raised a Christian, and have an interest in theology but I certainly don't practice any religion at all - I just investigate it. I would like to know what the truth is - regardless of what that might be - but I realise that I may die without an answer.

Incidentally, if God is omnipotent (all-powerful) then surely "becoming a man" would be very easy for him.

I will leave you with a worthless little thought of my own to help you better understand how a Trinity of beings who are God could work together in creation. This is obviously not how things actually would work - it is a simplification, but it is slightly interesting to consider:

God the Father - the architect
God the Son - the builder
God the Holy Spirit - the interior decorator

 

[Sylar]

Do the other Gods or religions have any proof? Because in Islam, the Quran provides proof for Gods existence.

really? so show me?

Im open...... show me now without words.

 

[Goat Whisperer]

The women are not forced to cover their hair, believe me, I know.

The Islamic teachings about modest dress apply to any person, male or female. Prophet Muhammad is quoted as saying: "...If the woman reaches the age of puberty, no part of her body should be seen but this --- and he pointed to his face and hands."

The requirements for women over the age of puberty are:
1) Clothing must cover the entire body, with the exception of the face and the hands.
2) The attire should not be form fitting, sheer or so eye-catching as to attract undue attention or reveal the shape of the body.

Islam does this do give the women a high status. She is not a sex toy. She is not there for guys to drool over. Many ask ''But do Muslim women actually enjoy wearing it when its baking outside?'' Yes it can get hot. It can be uncomfortable at times. But it gives you this special sort of power. No person can give you those disgusting looks which lower women to dirty scums.

There are similar, yet less obvious requirements for a Muslim male's attire.
1) A Muslim man must always be covered from the navel to the knees.
2) A Muslim man should similarly not wear tight, sheer, revealing, or eye-catching clothing. In addition, a Muslim man is prohibited from wearing silk clothing (except for medical reasons) or gold jewelry. A Muslim woman may wear silk or gold.

Modest clothing is worn in obedience to God and has nothing to do with submissiveness to men. Not all Muslim women wear the head scarf (hijab) right? Some Muslim women choose not to wear hijab. Some may want to wear it but believe they cannot get a job wearing a head scarf. Others may not be aware of the requirement or are under the mistaken impression that wearing hijab is an indication of inferior status.

Yes, well although that is true, you still can't hide the fact that there ARE Islamic countries that treat women as property, where it isn't illegal to sell, trade and rape them. There ARE islamic countries that have laws against women being able to show faces and hands. Yes maybe the women could feel "power" in whering thos clothes, but, its not like whering a regular shirt, and pair of pants, even a modest pair of shorts wouldn't do the same thing.

 

[wednesday]

:smiley31:gives bri a huge huggeroonie cuz she deserves it

 

[pladecalvo]

Would you like to know about the proofs the Quran provides?

Very much so.....with one proviso......you can't use the Qur'an to prove that the Qur'an is true. That's just circular reasoning. Please provide independent, objective and verifiable evidence for your claim.

 

[Goat Whisperer]

I hate it when people try to prove religions, they can't be proved, get over yourselves.