So I had to call the cops Sunday morning...

[dt3]

There's a very good chance he didn't have a weapon either. Personally if I shot someone, who had innocent intentions, by mistake, I'd feel dreadful about it for the rest of my life.

Where have I ever said I was going to shoot him right off the bat? If, after he knew I had a gun, he did anything threatening, you're damn right I would shoot him. But if he puts his hands up and says he's at the wrong house, do you really think I'd shoot him in the ass on his way out?

Now, if he's already broken into my home, he's not gonna get a warning.

 

[Peter Parka]

Where have I ever said I was going to shoot him right off the bat? If, after he knew I had a gun, he did anything threatening, you're damn right I would shoot him. But if he puts his hands up and says he's at the wrong house, do you really think I'd shoot him in the ass on his way out?

Now, if he's already broken into my home, he's not gonna get a warning.

Oops! Yeah, just read back over your posts , my mistake, you only mentioned pointing a gun at him, not actually pulling the trigger. I still think if you can avoid a situation where anyone pulls a gun on anyone though, it's worth it.

 

[Tim]

Peter, I think you also need to look at the difference between our countries and how populated they are. Where we have big cities with densely populated areas, guns are banned, much like where you live. But America is mostly rural country side. This is where you will find most gun owners. Where you CAN just walk out into your back yard and hunt, target practice or just pop off a few rounds. If America were as densely populated as the UK, I'm sure our gun laws would mirror yours.
I know that here in Pennsylvania, we have 40,055 sq miles of land where England has 50,346 sq miles. So only one of our states is almost as large as your entire country. In England there is a population of 50,762,900 that works out to 976 people for every sq mile of land. We have less than one quarter that many people per square mile on average... and you have to remember that 90% of our population is in Philadelphia, Harrisburg and Pittsburg. The rest is miles and miles of farmland. Where you can drive for miles without seeing another home. And this is just Pennsylvania and we have much bigger states with much fewer people... so do the math, where we have very populous areas (like in the UK) guns are banned. But that only accounts for a small portion of our area in the states.

 

[Peter Parka]

Interesting point. Correct me if I'm wrong though, isn't it the well built up areas that have the biggest gun crime problems? You say that guns are banned there but surely it cant be too difficult to smuggle guns in from other parts of the country where they are legal?

 

[Tim]

This is true. Guns are not allowed in Philadelphia, yet they brought in and used by gangs and crooks. The laws are very tough if you are caught with a gun in Philly (mandatory jail time), but that doesn't deter them from doing it.

But what do you do about that? You can't ban all guns in the US, there are far too many people that need them to live.

To give you an example... My mother is from Indian lake, New York. She had 11 brothers and sisters, a large family. They had cows, chickens, a large garden and they hunted for food. Their nearest neighbor was miles away, a town of less than 200. To help put into perspective on how far out in the middle of nowhere they live... If you walked out behind my grandmothers house and continued to walk in a straight line, you would not cross another road or come across any form of civilization for 300 miles (483 kilometers) Where in the UK can you do that? So trying to ban weapons from towns like this would be impossible. Hunting is a way of life for them, it is a way to eat.

 

[Peter Parka]

Oh agreed. That's why the crackdown on guns here is more concerned with hand guns. it's pointless having hand guns for hunting so no problem there for hunters. I doubt many people would find it easy to walk around with concealed shotguns.

 

[Maulds]

But, on the plus side, I now have the perfect reason to buy a gun with my tax return when it gets here.

No no no, I've seen AEF address this here before. You take the wife and kid to the closet with you where you try not to make a sound and not interfere in them stealing all of your valuables.

 

[COOL_BREEZE2]

At 4am. The baby woke up, so I went to get him. I saw somebody parked out front with the car running and he started honking the horn over and over for about 5 minutes. As I was walking downstairs, I see this guy (who I've never seen before) come in the gate, walk up to our door and start kicking it and ringing the bell.

So I set the baby on the couch and was about to go commence an ass-whoopin, when I realized he never took his right hand out of his pocket, and there was something bulky in there (please, no penis jokes ). So I said fuck this, I'm callin 911.

Right after I called, the guy got in his car and left. I still don't know who the fuck he was or what he wanted. But, on the plus side, I now have the perfect reason to buy a gun with my tax return when it gets here.

Dayuuumn. Just seeing this.

That's just plain freaky. You did the best thing under the circumstances.

Anyone you could think of that you may have had a run in with that would want to threaten you and your family Donnie?

 

[COOL_BREEZE2]

well, I wasn't coming back as such, just making an observation, but if that's what you want.....First, I agree that Donnie made the right decision by calling the po-po instead of walking out with gun(s) drawn (if he had one). Stray bullets have a way of finding things they were not meant for.
Secondly, good decision or not (it was), this is an excellent example of why a lot of people think gun ownership as a means of personal protection is a good idea. You don't, and you constantly jack threads to that effect pushing your anti-gun sentiments on people like a fucking Jehovah's Witness with a Bible. And that's fine. But if this jackass had ill-intent, several plausible scenarios exist where Donnie and a gun make all the difference between the life and death of Dom and Sneak. It's that simple, and that's why a great number of people in America own guns. For personal protection.
Now, if you want to yell at an intruder, "Hey, stop it you big meanie! I'm calling the cops you stinky mcstinkface!" whilst he's raping and killing your wife with you at gunpoint, then go right ahead.
Meanwhile, down at the plant, James, Tim (soon to be Donnie) and I will greet him with a hollowpoint the instant he breaks down the door.

Because I hate to shatter the rainbows and unicorns image of the world you have over there, but that's what can and does happen: a coked up freak looking for that next 8-ball walks up to a random house because he's so coked up out of his mind, all reason has gone. So he bangs on the door, waiting for a dumbass to actually answer so he can bullrush his way in and steal $20, knock the homeowner out while he's there, discovers a pretty woman for the taking, sees a baby and decides not to leave any witnesses.

Not on my watch. He bangs on my door and tries to come in, he's eating it.

Will I proactively go out and meet him? As I said, dt3 did the right thing by calling the pokey and I would have, too, with gun .45 loaded with 230 grain hollowpoints on the other side, so if he does get bold, I'm ready.

Gun ownership as a means of personal protection is all about preparation for the worst contingency.

That's what I meant when I said maybe someday you'll see that gun ownership is not the bane of existence....

:homo:

You've already exhausted your supply of claps so this will have to suffice for now. Well done.

 

[COOL_BREEZE2]

England has less gun crimes because your government pushed for a gun ban and was pretty successful. That will never happen here. Far too many people over here own guns, and would never let them go because the government can't guarantee they can get the guns out of the criminal's hands..

The US will never be gun free. EVER.

You can say that again.

Never never ever never.

Never never ever never.

 

[COOL_BREEZE2]

There's a very good chance he didn't have a weapon either. Personally if I shot someone, who had innocent intentions, by mistake, I'd feel dreadful about it for the rest of my life.

1. Time of the morning (4.00 AM I believe).

2. Parked out front with the car running and he started honking the horn over and over for about 5 minutes (as opposed to calmly approaching decently).

3. Attire and demeanor (hooded I believe and hands in pocket out of clear sight).

4. Walks up to our door and start kicking it and ringing the bell.

5. Right after I called (911), the guy got in his car and left.


All highly suspicious actions I believe.

 

[Natasha]

How on earth can you guarantee that?

I think the point on that one is that one who would break the law by committing a residential burglary or home invasion certainly would have no qualms about purchasing a handgun illegally.

Breaking and entering isn't exactly legal, and as the homeowner you don't know their intent. If a homeowner gets indicted for murder out of self defense, it'd get appealed.

That's all well and good...but while your appeal is being processed you're living your days in a prison bending over for Big Bubba every night. The problem w/ jury trials is that it requires you to put your life in the hands of 12 people who couldn't think up a good enough excuse to get them out of jury duty in the first place!!!

Bought it from a stranger outside a pawn shop.

The only thing I'll caution you guys about on that one is that they're not the most reputable people. You get caught w/ a gun that you bought off Joe Blow on the street and it winds up having been stolen, you take the fall for possession of stolen property NOT HIM.

 

[MMMMatilde]

At 4am. The baby woke up, so I went to get him. I saw somebody parked out front with the car running and he started honking the horn over and over for about 5 minutes. As I was walking downstairs, I see this guy (who I've never seen before) come in the gate, walk up to our door and start kicking it and ringing the bell.

So I set the baby on the couch and was about to go commence an ass-whoopin, when I realized he never took his right hand out of his pocket, and there was something bulky in there (please, no penis jokes ). So I said fuck this, I'm callin 911.

Right after I called, the guy got in his car and left. I still don't know who the fuck he was or what he wanted. But, on the plus side, I now have the perfect reason to buy a gun with my tax return when it gets here.

Woah, that is really scary, you are brave to even get out of bed!!

I freak out when I hear a sound let alone a guy banging at my door!

 

[Pudding Time]

I think the point on that one is that one who would break the law by committing a residential burglary or home invasion certainly would have no qualms about purchasing a handgun illegally.

True, yet they could quite easily buy a gun from another person legally without the ATF or local authorities knowing.

The only thing I'll caution you guys about on that one is that they're not the most reputable people. You get caught w/ a gun that you bought off Joe Blow on the street and it winds up having been stolen, you take the fall for possession of stolen property NOT HIM.

I was able to get a all his information (SS#, Drivers licence #, adress, phone number) on a signed notification of the sale of the weapon. If it does turn up stolen, I have proof that I purchased the weapon from him.

 

[TheOriginalJames]

That's all well and good...but while your appeal is being processed you're living your days in a prison bending over for Big Bubba every night. The problem w/ jury trials is that it requires you to put your life in the hands of 12 people who couldn't think up a good enough excuse to get them out of jury duty in the first place!!!

I dunno about your jail, but here its one person to a cell.

 

[Breath]

I'm glad that you and Amber and Dominic are safe, and that whatever circumstances that occurred were enough to alleviate what might have happened.
I am thinking your address or house number must be similar to someone else's who is in trouble. Are any of the neighbors likely to have such "visitors" in the middle of the night? Is your house number clearly visible? Maybe some sort of marking outside that a veteran lives on the premises (who could kick ass) is possible? Just anything to deter the possibility that this mistake could be made again.

 

[skyblue]

I'm glad that you and Amber and Dominic are safe, and that whatever circumstances that occurred were enough to alleviate what might have happened.
I am thinking your address or house number must be similar to someone else's who is in trouble. Are any of the neighbors likely to have such "visitors" in the middle of the night? Is your house number clearly visible? Maybe some sort of marking outside that a veteran lives on the premises (who could kick ass) is possible? Just anything to deter the possibility that this mistake could be made again.

some good comments there..........i have a notice screwed to my back gate with my dog on it

 

[COOL_BREEZE2]

some good comments there..........i have a notice screwed to my back gate with my dog on it

Or maybe a sign that says "WARNING! Pitbull in house".
Not a bad idea.

They don't have to know it's Donnie it's referring to.

 

[teh_fuzz]

That is one of my greatest fears.. someone putting my family in danger and me not being ablet o help them.

screw that bro, get the lic, get the proper training and take cre of your own. I say get the training because if youre neighborhood is anything like mine, you have other homes pretty close by, thus putting other people in danger with stray bullets.

for the longest time i wanted to get me a shotgun for protection... then i realized that if I miss im putting a whole lot of people in danger.. tbh not worth it.

I am thinnking of getting a pistol, but with the girls around and one of them getting into everything i am relying on a trusty old louisville slugger.

 

[Tim]

Shotgun is actually the safest way to go... If you miss your target, your shot won't go far risking others... providing you are using bird shot.. which is VERY effective up close and personal.