So I had to call the cops Sunday morning...
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BadBoy@TheWheel
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True, there are risks you run with everything. But the more training you have, the less risks you face.
GraceAbounds
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It was probably someone under the influence of something who had the wrong address. We've had that happen to us before as well. My husband just yelled out to them that they had the wrong address and that if they didn't leave he'd call the cops. They left.
I would add to this the following:
Please make sure you tell the 911 dispatcher that you have a weapon. Once the police arrive, secure your weapon and make sure to advise the officers that you have done so.
Peter Parka
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Good point there too. How would you have felt if you shot him dead and it turned out he was just a taxi driver who had got the wrong address or something?
GraceAbounds
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:homo:
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I could never forgive myself... And would probably end up in jail for a long time.
BadBoy@TheWheel
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I assume the laws are probably the same elsewhere but here they read....and I am paraphrasing mind you:
"you must feel that either yourself, or someone else is in grave physical danger, or that the threat of lethal force is imminent".
And a grand jury would have to prove that.
Keep in mind that some of that grand jury are probably married to a first cousin..
"you must feel that either yourself, or someone else is in grave physical danger, or that the threat of lethal force is imminent".
And a grand jury would have to prove that.
Keep in mind that some of that grand jury are probably married to a first cousin..
GuesSAngel
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i know where tim and i keep the gun. If I was home alone with the baby and someone broke into my house...you damn well better know that i will be shooting if they didn't leave.
groundpounder
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a few observations:
first and foremost, KUDOS to Donnie for getting up with the baby!! Mad props!! :clap
On to more salient points...
That protection instinct is STRONG, ain't it? Once there is a threat, perceived or real, things change for a parent. BIG time. :mad
PP, maybe one day you will see that owning a gun is not the bane of existence. :smiley24:
D, you ABSOLUTELY did the right thing by calling the pokey, even if you would have been packin.
To James, Donnie, Alicia, et al: NEVER pull a gun without the intent to use it. For some of you, it goes without saying, but if you pull it, be ready, willing and able to use it with deadly accuracy. If you have any question as to your ability or capability to take another's life in self defense, keep it put away.
Once it's out, deadly force is imminent from one party or the other. It better be you.
first and foremost, KUDOS to Donnie for getting up with the baby!! Mad props!! :clap
On to more salient points...
That protection instinct is STRONG, ain't it? Once there is a threat, perceived or real, things change for a parent. BIG time. :mad
PP, maybe one day you will see that owning a gun is not the bane of existence. :smiley24:
D, you ABSOLUTELY did the right thing by calling the pokey, even if you would have been packin.
To James, Donnie, Alicia, et al: NEVER pull a gun without the intent to use it. For some of you, it goes without saying, but if you pull it, be ready, willing and able to use it with deadly accuracy. If you have any question as to your ability or capability to take another's life in self defense, keep it put away.
Once it's out, deadly force is imminent from one party or the other. It better be you.
TheOriginalJames
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... what? there's a strange guy pounding away at his door at 4 am... that makes him, by default, involved.
Peter Parka
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Yeah, i misread this at first, I though he said the guy was banging on a neighbours door.
I'm disappointed, all the points I made about why using a gun in this situation wouldn't be a good idea and the best you can come back with? I thought you could do better!
I'm glad you and your family are safe at least, and no doubt you did exactly the right thing, it's very easy to let the macho territorial instinct kick in and open the door with a kitchen knife or a baseball bat hehehe
The whole gun situation is a complicated one though, I live in England so like Peter Parka I have an anti-gun sentiment, I don't have any experience with guns nor want any, but I was born in Northern Ireland where things are really strange when it comes to guns - we share the sort of anti gun sentiments that the English have, but at the same time you hear stories about neighbours and friends having their door kicked down and threatened at gun point, my uncle was in the Royal Ulster Constabulry (aka policeman) and thus a target. He kept a gun just in case he needed one at home, and I never criticised him about it, I fully understood at the time.
The whole gun situation is a complicated one though, I live in England so like Peter Parka I have an anti-gun sentiment, I don't have any experience with guns nor want any, but I was born in Northern Ireland where things are really strange when it comes to guns - we share the sort of anti gun sentiments that the English have, but at the same time you hear stories about neighbours and friends having their door kicked down and threatened at gun point, my uncle was in the Royal Ulster Constabulry (aka policeman) and thus a target. He kept a gun just in case he needed one at home, and I never criticised him about it, I fully understood at the time.
groundpounder
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well, I wasn't coming back as such, just making an observation, but if that's what you want.....
Secondly, good decision or not (it was), this is an excellent example of why a lot of people think gun ownership as a means of personal protection is a good idea. You don't, and you constantly jack threads to that effect pushing your anti-gun sentiments on people like a fucking Jehovah's Witness with a Bible. And that's fine. But if this jackass had ill-intent, several plausible scenarios exist where Donnie and a gun make all the difference between the life and death of Dom and Sneak. It's that simple, and that's why a great number of people in America own guns. For personal protection.
Now, if you want to yell at an intruder, "Hey, stop it you big meanie! I'm calling the cops you stinky mcstinkface!" whilst he's raping and killing your wife with you at gunpoint, then go right ahead.
Meanwhile, down at the plant, James, Tim (soon to be Donnie) and I will greet him with a hollowpoint the instant he breaks down the door.
Because I hate to shatter the rainbows and unicorns image of the world you have over there, but that's what can and does happen: a coked up freak looking for that next 8-ball walks up to a random house because he's so coked up out of his mind, all reason has gone. So he bangs on the door, waiting for a dumbass to actually answer so he can bullrush his way in and steal $20, knock the homeowner out while he's there, discovers a pretty woman for the taking, sees a baby and decides not to leave any witnesses.
Not on my watch. He bangs on my door and tries to come in, he's eating it.
Will I proactively go out and meet him? As I said, dt3 did the right thing by calling the pokey and I would have, too, with gun .45 loaded with 230 grain hollowpoints on the other side, so if he does get bold, I'm ready.
Gun ownership as a means of personal protection is all about preparation for the worst contingency.
That's what I meant when I said maybe someday you'll see that gun ownership is not the bane of existence....
First, I agree that Donnie made the right decision by calling the po-po instead of walking out with gun(s) drawn (if he had one). Stray bullets have a way of finding things they were not meant for.I'm disappointed, all the points I made about why using a gun in this situation wouldn't be a good idea and the best you can come back with? I thought you could do better!
Secondly, good decision or not (it was), this is an excellent example of why a lot of people think gun ownership as a means of personal protection is a good idea. You don't, and you constantly jack threads to that effect pushing your anti-gun sentiments on people like a fucking Jehovah's Witness with a Bible. And that's fine. But if this jackass had ill-intent, several plausible scenarios exist where Donnie and a gun make all the difference between the life and death of Dom and Sneak. It's that simple, and that's why a great number of people in America own guns. For personal protection.
Now, if you want to yell at an intruder, "Hey, stop it you big meanie! I'm calling the cops you stinky mcstinkface!" whilst he's raping and killing your wife with you at gunpoint, then go right ahead.
Meanwhile, down at the plant, James, Tim (soon to be Donnie) and I will greet him with a hollowpoint the instant he breaks down the door.
Because I hate to shatter the rainbows and unicorns image of the world you have over there, but that's what can and does happen: a coked up freak looking for that next 8-ball walks up to a random house because he's so coked up out of his mind, all reason has gone. So he bangs on the door, waiting for a dumbass to actually answer so he can bullrush his way in and steal $20, knock the homeowner out while he's there, discovers a pretty woman for the taking, sees a baby and decides not to leave any witnesses.
Not on my watch. He bangs on my door and tries to come in, he's eating it.
Will I proactively go out and meet him? As I said, dt3 did the right thing by calling the pokey and I would have, too, with gun .45 loaded with 230 grain hollowpoints on the other side, so if he does get bold, I'm ready.
Gun ownership as a means of personal protection is all about preparation for the worst contingency.
That's what I meant when I said maybe someday you'll see that gun ownership is not the bane of existence....
GraceAbounds
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Great post GP.
Peter Parka
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I never said that shooting the guy if he broke down the door and burst in brandishing a gun would be wrong. I was against pulling out a gun and shooting someone when they arn't even on your property and are not brandishing a weapon.
Now I agree that shooting someone who was on your property waving a gun around would be fine. The chances of a random person bursting into my home with a gun is so extremely slim that the benefits of not owning a gun far outweigh the benefits of owning one. I take it that isn't the case where Donnie lives. Cant help thinking that guns being legal plays a huge part in that.
Now I agree that shooting someone who was on your property waving a gun around would be fine. The chances of a random person bursting into my home with a gun is so extremely slim that the benefits of not owning a gun far outweigh the benefits of owning one. I take it that isn't the case where Donnie lives. Cant help thinking that guns being legal plays a huge part in that.
GraceAbounds
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Peter, I remember you being at a festival of some sorts when gun shots went off. You posted about it here on the forum about a year ago. Here I am in the US where guns are legal and I have never been that close to illegal gun fire.
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