So I had to call the cops Sunday morning...

[Tim]

If someone broke in brandishing a gun... I can guarantee that it wasn't obtained legally.

I'm with GP on this... I would have stayed in the house and called the cops. The first priority is protecting your family. And the best way to do that is to avoid all confrontation. But I would guarantee you that if this person decided to take it to the next level and break into my home, he would be dealt with quickly and with extreme prejudice....

 

[dt3]

It was probably someone under the influence of something who had the wrong address. We've had that happen to us before as well. My husband just yelled out to them that they had the wrong address and that if they didn't leave he'd call the cops. They left.

I think GP, as usual, is right on this one:

a coked up freak looking for that next 8-ball walks up to a random house because he's so coked up out of his mind, all reason has gone. So he bangs on the door, waiting for a dumbass to actually answer so he can bullrush his way in and steal $20,

I don't know if he had the wrong address, but there were several things wrong with the incident. For instance, I didn't mention this, but he was wearing a hoodie. It's been around 85-90 during the day here, and not cooling off at night. So there wasn't really a logical reason to be wearing one. Add that to the fact that his hand never came out of the hoodie pocket, and I say things are starting to not add up. I didn't want to yell out to the guy because I wanted the cops to get him and find out what exactly he was doing.

I never said that shooting the guy if he broke down the door and burst in brandishing a gun would be wrong. I was against pulling out a gun and shooting someone when they arn't even on your property and are not brandishing a weapon.

But he was on my property. He pushed his way through our gate (which had a cinder block in front of it to keep the wind from pushing it open and letting the cats out), and was in our courtyard banging on our door. That's my property.

 

[GraceAbounds]

If someone broke in brandishing a gun... I can guarantee that it wasn't obtained legally.

:homo:

 

[Peter Parka]

Peter, I remember you being at a festival of some sorts when gun shots went off. You posted about it here on the forum about a year ago. Here I am in the US where guns are legal and I have never been that close to illegal gun fire.

That was at a huge carnival attended by over one million people held in one of the roughest area of London, with lots of drinking and drugs going on. It's also a magnet for gangs clashing with each other. So just to put it in context for you, I wonder how something like that would turn out in a rough area of New York and whether you've been to an event like that. Also, these are gang related shootings. Although there was a chance I could have been hit by a stray bullet, I was in minimal danger of being singled out to be shot as I dont get involved with gangs.

 

[dt3]

Anyway, I'm thinking about a Glock 22 for myself and, if I can talk Amber into it, a .410 for her.

 

[dt3]

That was at a huge carnival attended by over one million people held in one of the roughest area of London, with lots of drinking and drugs going on. It's also a magnet for gangs clashing with each other. So just to put it in context for you, I wonder how something like that would turn out in a rough area of New York and whether you've been to an event like that. Also, these are gang related shootings. Although there was a chance I could have been hit by a stray bullet, I was in minimal danger of being singled out to be shot as I dont get involved with gangs.

Woodstock? :dunno

 

[Peter Parka]

Can't say I ever remember hearing of the Yardies being at Woodstock looking for a fight.

Oh and your other point about being on your property, he wasn't actually breaking in to your home to be an immediate threat and you never actually saw he had a gun.

 

[groundpounder]

I never said that shooting the guy if he broke down the door and burst in brandishing a gun would be wrong....

for cripes sake how are you going to do this w/o a weapon?! Spray him with a water gun filled with hot water??

If someone broke in brandishing a gun... I can guarantee that it wasn't obtained legally.

just another element to the equation. There's a popular saying over here, and I love to use it during Second Amendment (Constitutional Right to Bear Arms) arguments or with the Give-peace-a-chance-and-turn-the-other-cheek crowd:
If you outlaw guns, only outlaws will have guns.

I'm with GP on this...

I think GP, as usual, is right on this one:

SEE?!? Who says we can't be on common ground?!? Gun ownership appeals to the left AND the right.

But he was on my property. He pushed his way through our gate (which had a cinder block in front of it to keep the wind from pushing it open and letting the cats out), and was in our courtyard banging on our door. That's my property.

Once he did that, he was trespassing. And when that happens, he's taking his life into his own hands if he's at the wrong house. Like mine or Tim's. And soon to be yours...

you get my voicemail??

 

[Peter Parka]

for cripes sake how are you going to do this w/o a weapon?! Spray him with a water gun filled with hot water??

You're taking that one statement out of the rest of what I wrote and taking it out of context.

 

[groundpounder]

Oh and your other point about being on your property, he wasn't actually breaking in to your home to be an immediate threat and you never actually saw he had a gun.

In this day and age, people like us who protect the people we love by any means tend to make that assessment quickly.

Tresspassing and breaking and entering are similar phenomena :nod:

 

[skyblue]

fucking word. Get a 40 cal.

nah.......a good double barrelled shotgun

 

[TheOriginalJames]

well, I wasn't coming back as such, just making an observation, but if that's what you want.....First, I agree that Donnie made the right decision by calling the po-po instead of walking out with gun(s) drawn (if he had one). Stray bullets have a way of finding things they were not meant for.
Secondly, good decision or not (it was), this is an excellent example of why a lot of people think gun ownership as a means of personal protection is a good idea. You don't, and you constantly jack threads to that effect pushing your anti-gun sentiments on people like a fucking Jehovah's Witness with a Bible. And that's fine. But if this jackass had ill-intent, several plausible scenarios exist where Donnie and a gun make all the difference between the life and death of Dom and Sneak. It's that simple, and that's why a great number of people in America own guns. For personal protection.
Now, if you want to yell at an intruder, "Hey, stop it you big meanie! I'm calling the cops you stinky mcstinkface!" whilst he's raping and killing your wife with you at gunpoint, then go right ahead.
Meanwhile, down at the plant, James, Tim (soon to be Donnie) and I will greet him with a hollowpoint the instant he breaks down the door.

Because I hate to shatter the rainbows and unicorns image of the world you have over there, but that's what can and does happen: a coked up freak looking for that next 8-ball walks up to a random house because he's so coked up out of his mind, all reason has gone. So he bangs on the door, waiting for a dumbass to actually answer so he can bullrush his way in and steal $20, knock the homeowner out while he's there, discovers a pretty woman for the taking, sees a baby and decides not to leave any witnesses.

Not on my watch. He bangs on my door and tries to come in, he's eating it.

Will I proactively go out and meet him? As I said, dt3 did the right thing by calling the pokey and I would have, too, with gun .45 loaded with 230 grain hollowpoints on the other side, so if he does get bold, I'm ready.

Gun ownership as a means of personal protection is all about preparation for the worst contingency.

That's what I meant when I said maybe someday you'll see that gun ownership is not the bane of existence....

*smiles with giddyness as a single tear of joy streams down my cheek*

beautiful post.

 

[groundpounder]

You're taking that one statement out of the rest of what I wrote and taking it out of context.

no, I'm taking your entire body of work on the anti-gun angle, PP. Not just one statement, but several.....

 

[TheOriginalJames]

nah.......a good double barrelled shotgun

I have been thinking about a pump action shotgun. :ninja

 

[TheOriginalJames]

Anyway, I'm thinking about a Glock 22 for myself and, if I can talk Amber into it, a .410 for her.

Glocks are so damn expensive when you can get a Smith and wesson M&P 40 cal for under 500.

 

[Pudding Time]

i know where tim and i keep the gun. If I was home alone with the baby and someone broke into my house...you damn well better know that i will be shooting if they didn't leave.

Might want to check your state laws on that one. In some states, you don't have the right to use deadly force just because someone is in your house.

If someone broke in brandishing a gun... I can guarantee that it wasn't obtained legally.

How on earth can you guarantee that?

 

[Pudding Time]

Glocks are so damn expensive when you can get a Smith and wesson M&P 40 cal for under 500.

You can get Glocks for under $500. Just need to know where to look.

And Glocks are much much better..

 

[TheOriginalJames]

Might want to check your state laws on that one. In some states, you don't have the right to use deadly force just because someone is in your house.

Breaking and entering isn't exactly legal, and as the homeowner you don't know their intent. If a homeowner gets indicted for murder out of self defense, it'd get appealed.

 

[Peter Parka]

no, I'm taking your entire body of work on the anti-gun angle, PP. Not just one statement, but several.....

Then you would have notices this part of the same comment too

The chances of a random person bursting into my home with a gun is so extremely slim that the benefits of not owning a gun far outweigh the benefits of owning one. I take it that isn't the case where Donnie lives. Cant help thinking that guns being legal plays a huge part in that.

And if you disagree with that, well, I guess you just think being an American drastically increases your chances of being a homicidal maniac. I'd like to think that isn't the case though the amount people go on about shooting guns on this forum, I'm rapidly changing my mind!

 

[TheOriginalJames]

You can get Glocks for under $500. Just need to know where to look.

And Glocks are much much better..

I don't think he wants to buy one out of a trunk on the corner of 5th and Main...