So I had to call the cops Sunday morning...

[TheOriginalJames]

Then you would have notices this part of the same comment too



And if you disagree with that, well, I guess you just think being an American drastically increases your chances of being a homicidal maniac. I'd like to think that isn't the case though the amount people go on about shooting guns on this forum, I'm rapidly changing my mind!

Give me a break. You don't think your countrymen can illegally obtain firearms in England? :smiley24: Naive, PP, Naive.

There is no doubt in my mind that banks and convenience stores still get robbed at gun point in England.

This, of course, has absolutely nothing to do with the laws of England, because a criminal has no regard for the laws and he'll get what he wants how he wants it.

 

[skyblue]

Might want to check your state laws on that one. In some states, you don't have the right to use deadly force just because someone is in your house.

better tried by 12 than carried by 6

 

[Pudding Time]

I don't think he wants to buy one out of a trunk on the corner of 5th and Main...

Why? I bough mine kinda that way..

Bought it from a stranger outside a pawn shop.

 

[Pudding Time]

better tried by 12 than carried by 6

Better not to kill people that don't deserve to die.

 

[Peter Parka]

Give me a break. You don't think your countrymen can illegally obtain firearms in England? :smiley24: Naive, PP, Naive.

There is no doubt in my mind that banks and convenience stores still get robbed at gun point in England.

This, of course, has absolutely nothing to do with the laws of England, because a criminal has no regard for the laws and he'll get what he wants how he wants it.

It happens a lot lot less than in the USA. If it isn't because guns are illegal here, please enlighten me and tell me the reason why?:dunno

 

[Pudding Time]

It happens a lot lot less than in the USA. If it isn't because guns are illegal here, please enlighten me and tell me the reason why?:dunno

England has less gun crimes because your government pushed for a gun ban and was pretty successful. That will never happen here. Far too many people over here own guns, and would never let them go because the government can't guarantee they can get the guns out of the criminal's hands..

The US will never be gun free. EVER.

 

[groundpounder]

Then you would have notices this part of the same comment too

I notice just about everything....

And if you disagree with that, well, I guess you just think being an American drastically increases your chances of being a homicidal maniac. I'd like to think that isn't the case though the amount people go on about shooting guns on this forum, I'm rapidly changing my mind!

The odds are small, no doubt. It'd be hard but not impossible to pinpoint the statistics on violent crimes perpetrated in the home by an intruder. But for shits and giggles, let's say you have a 1 in 10,000 chance of being the victim of such a crime. That's a 0.01% chance. But it does happen

And if you're the one in 10,000, then YOUR odds go from 0.01% to 100%, fuck the other 9,999.

So, if you want to play the odds and pretend to live in a world with fairies and candy mountains, knock yourself out, PP. Just don't knock those of us who don't by supposing that we're homicidal maniacs.
That's where you run afoul. You spew that "I'm a progressive-thinker-and-a-gentle-soul-peace-love-and-fairies-and-all-you-crazy-gun-totin-Americans-are-certifiable-nutjobs" business all you want, but as soon as you become 100% of a 0.01% statistic, you'll be saying, "FUCKIN AYE, GP was RIGHT!! I wish I had a weapon other than a strongly worded letter right about now!"

It's better to have it and not need it than to need it and not have it. Won't catch me slippin. Not with a family to protect....:ninja

 

[TheOriginalJames]

It happens a lot lot less than in the USA. If it isn't because guns are illegal here, please enlighten me and tell me the reason why?:dunno

But it does happen, so John Q convenience store owner just got fucked by his governments gun ban to protect himself, and is now chillen for eternity 6 feet under with the earth worms.

All I have to say, is that isn't happening to me without a fight.

 

[Peter Parka]

England has less gun crimes because your government pushed for a gun ban and was pretty successful. That will never happen here. Far too many people over here own guns, and would never let them go because the government can't guarantee they can get the guns out of the criminal's hands..

The US will never be gun free. EVER.

Sounds like you're stuck in a no win situation them. it's a bit like the arms race. no one will get rid of their weapons because of fear of the other side.
Unfortunately this will only mean the situation will steadily get worse as people get more and more powerful weapons to counter the more and more weapons the criminals get. It sounds like your government needs to make a huge crackdown on gangs and get rid of them for all. I'm not saying that would easy but it's got to be a long term target if you're going to reduce gun crimes.

 

[Peter Parka]

But it does happen, so John Q convenience store owner just got fucked by his governments gun ban to protect himself, and is now chillen for eternity 6 feet under with the earth worms.

All I have to say, is that isn't happening to me without a fight.

That didn't answer the question. Try again. Why is the UK gun rate so much less than in the USA if it isn't because of our gun laws?

 

[groundpounder]

That didn't answer the question. Try again. Why is the UK gun rate so much less than in the USA if it isn't because of our gun laws?

I for one think that it is.
Your gun laws are a major contributing factor to your crimes with guns rates being lower.

No Question. :clap

 

[Pudding Time]

Sounds like you're stuck in a no win situation them. it's a bit like the arms race. no one will get rid of their weapons because of fear of the other side.
Unfortunately this will only mean the situation will steadily get worse as people get more and more powerful weapons to counter the more and more weapons the criminals get. It sounds like your government needs to make a huge crackdown on gangs and get rid of them for all. I'm not saying that would easy but it's got to be a long term target if you're going to reduce gun crimes.

You are right in the fact that it is a situation where the legits wont put down there arms because the illicits wont either. And rightfully so.

But the situation wont get worse. The pro gun states are the ones enjoying far less violent crime than the anti-gun states. And I see this first hand everyday. I live in Virginia (very pro gun) and I work in DC (very anti gun). DC has one of the highest crime rates in the US. There is a murder at least once every night in DC, and 98% of those murders are shootings. Virginia does have crime. Yes people are killed here. But no where near as often as DC. Every murder here in my country makes the local news. Only bizarre or high profile murders in DC make the news. Or if they are doing a story on the gun violence in DC, they'll show some info on recent shootings.

Guns are not become more advanced on a noticeable scale. The same mechanics have been around for decades. The perception that anyone could be packing a gun is enough to deter most criminals.

 

[Peter Parka]

You are right in the fact that it is a situation where the legits wont put down there arms because the illicits wont either. And rightfully so.

But the situation wont get worse. The pro gun states are the ones enjoying far less violent crime than the anti-gun states. And I see this first hand everyday. I live in Virginia (very pro gun) and I work in DC (very anti gun). DC has one of the highest crime rates in the US. There is a murder at least once every night in DC, and 98% of those murders are shootings. Virginia does have crime. Yes people are killed here. But no where near as often as DC. Every murder here in my country makes the local news. Only bizarre or high profile murders in DC make the news. Or if they are doing a story on the gun violence in DC, they'll show some info on recent shootings.

Guns are not become more advanced on a noticeable scale. The same mechanics have been around for decades. The perception that anyone could be packing a gun is enough to deter most criminals.

Does seem strange that. I'm guessing the reason might be because it's not too difficult to smuggle guns across state lines, much easier than getting them smuggled into the country anyway.
Because of this I don't see that individual states banning guns will probably be very effective.

 

[Pudding Time]

Does seem strange that. I'm guessing the reason might be because it's not too difficult to smuggle guns across state lines, much easier than getting them smuggled into the country anyway.
Because of this I don't see that individual states banning guns will probably be very effective.

You're right. Maryland and Virginia surround DC. And both are pro gun. So if you're a criminal looking to mug someone. Then You're better off doing it in DC since the chances of the average citizen having a gun on them are extremely slim.


Though I do believe it's possible for smaller states to enforce a gun ban, yet with neighboring states aloowing the possesion of guns, that state would only be setting themselves up for an increased crime rate.

 

[TheOriginalJames]

That didn't answer the question. Try again. Why is the UK gun rate so much less than in the USA if it isn't because of our gun laws?

Well, you have law abiding citizens who aren't allowed to carry weapons, therefore by statistics, you have less morons out there who don't have the ability to correctly store a handgun, thus it can't be stolen by people who don't give a fuck about the law. But people who don't give a fuck about the law can just as easily buy it elsewhere anyway.

You're arguing a different point than I am. Some how you took my point and turned it around, flipped it upside down and now are trying to tell me I'm wrong. Stop doing that.

I simply stated that gun crimes DO happen in England, I don't care about the % in England compared to the % in the US. I simply stated that criminals do have guns over there, and law abiding citizens pay the price for this.

 

[dt3]

Can't say I ever remember hearing of the Yardies being at Woodstock looking for a fight.

Oh and your other point about being on your property, he wasn't actually breaking in to your home to be an immediate threat and you never actually saw he had a gun.

I didn't need to see a gun to know
A) he was trespassing
B) there's a very good chance he has a weapon, based on his actions

Where I come from, that's called Hostile Intent.

you get my voicemail??

Sure did, I'll give ya a call tonight.

And Glocks are much much better..

:homo:

 

[GuesSAngel]

To James, Donnie, Alicia, et al: NEVER pull a gun without the intent to use it. For some of you, it goes without saying, but if you pull it, be ready, willing and able to use it with deadly accuracy. If you have any question as to your ability or capability to take another's life in self defense, keep it put away.

Once it's out, deadly force is imminent from one party or the other. It better be you.

if i'm home alone with the baby, i would pull out the gun for protection against someone breaking into my house. I have no question about myself whether i'm able to shoot someone if i felt my life or my babies life was in danger. I'm only 5'1'', and there's not much to me. A gun would really be my only survival.

 

[Peter Parka]

Well, you have law abiding citizens who aren't allowed to carry weapons, therefore by statistics, you have less morons out there who don't have the ability to correctly store a handgun, thus it can't be stolen by people who don't give a fuck about the law. But people who don't give a fuck about the law can just as easily buy it elsewhere anyway.

You're arguing a different point than I am. Some how you took my point and turned it around, flipped it upside down and now are trying to tell me I'm wrong. Stop doing that.

I simply stated that gun crimes DO happen in England, I don't care about the % in England compared to the % in the US. I simply stated that criminals do have guns over there, and law abiding citizens pay the price for this.

Yes gun crimes do happen here and yes, law abiding citizens do pay the price. Far less law abiding citizens get shot though than they do in the USA as a result of the gun ban. If that is the result of banning guns, surely that's a good thing? If not being able to own a gun results in my chances of being shot drastically decreasing, I am well prepared to forgo being able to own a gun for that!

 

[Peter Parka]

B) there's a very good chance he has a weapon, based on his actions

Where I come from, that's called Hostile Intent.

There's a very good chance he didn't have a weapon either. Personally if I shot someone, who had innocent intentions, by mistake, I'd feel dreadful about it for the rest of my life.

 

[Goat Whisperer]

There's a very good chance he didn't have a weapon either. Personally if I shot someone, who had innocent intentions, by mistake, I'd feel dreadful about it for the rest of my life.

:homo: