Is God Hands On?

[gillibean]

You forgot the slapping part.

No I didn't. Slapping his hand (while not the best way to do this, it works) teaches him not to reach for the stove. That's protecting him from harm.

 

[luc154]

Wtf? What terrible sin have all cancer suffers done to deserve that??? Both my nans died of cancer, both were lovely women, loving, kind looked after people unselfishly. Neither of them were liars, thieves or murderers. Please explain to me what they did that was so bad they deserved to suffer the torture of cancer eating their body away before killing them. All your statement has done is prove my point that God is sadistic!

Sin is a terrible thing especially if it is against a holy God. The punishment for that is very great.
Just like taking candy from a jar is not so severe as killing a man.

The reason why man doesn't understand this great punishment is because they do not understand holiness and purity.

Diseases came into this world because of mans rebellion. We all suffer for the mistake of one man, Adam, but through this other Man Jesus you can be set free from slavery to sin. It is up to you to make a choice.

People will however, even if they know punishment is coming, still not subdue to God. Just as Jesus spoke in Matthew 7:13-14

 

[pladecalvo]

Would you say that if a child keeps trying to reach for a pot of hot water on the stove and the father slaps him is a bad thing to do?

Yes I would say it was a bad thing. What a responsible father would do is move the hot water out of the child's reach.....but that's not your gods way is it? Your god's way is to deliberately 'create' beings that are weak and prone to temptation, then place temptation in their way, then punish them for eternity for doing something that, due to their design fault that he deliberately planned, they can't avoid doing anyway.......and you think that kind of behaviour is worthy of worship!!

 

[luc154]

No I didn't. Slapping his hand (while not the best way to do this, it works) teaches him not to reach for the stove. That's protecting him from harm.

God has protection from His just judgement. It is called salvation. And if you will not turn from your sinful ways you will not be able to make that payment.

 

[gillibean]

Yes I would say it was a bad thing. What a responsible father would do is move the hot water out of the child's reach.....but that's not your gods way is it? Your god's way is to deliberately 'create' beings that are weak and prone to temptation, then place temptation in their way, then punish them for eternity for doing something that, due to their design fault that he deliberately planned, they can't avoid doing anyway.......and you think that kind of behaviour is worthy of worship!!

Agreed, much better put than I.

I don't quite understand how god, even if he did create us, is worthy worship at all. Creation is easy for him and it was for a selfish purpose.

 

[luc154]

Yes I would say it was a bad thing. What a responsible father would do is move the hot water out of the child's reach.

What if he is not there when the child reaches again for the hot water? Then the child will remember the pain from the slap and not touch the pot of boiling water.

Your god's way is to deliberately 'create' beings that are weak and prone to temptation, then place temptation in their way, then punish them for eternity for doing something that, due to their design fault that he deliberately planned, they can't avoid doing anyway.......and you think that kind of behaviour is worthy of worship!!

God made man perfect, not weak. Man became weak because of his rebellion. And God in His infinite love made a way through Christ to restore that loving relationship.

 

[gillibean]

What if he is not there when the child reaches again for the hot water?

God made man perfect, not weak. Man became weak because of his rebellion. And God in His infinite love made a way through Christ to restore that loving relationship.

Leaving hot water where a child can reach it then leaving is incredibly irresponsible.

 

[Peter Parka]

Sin is a terrible thing especially if it is against a holy God. The punishment for that is very great.
Just like taking candy from a jar is not so severe as killing a man.

The reason why man doesn't understand this great punishment is because they do not understand holiness and purity.

Diseases came into this world because of mans rebellion. We all suffer for the mistake of one man, Adam, but through this other Man Jesus you can be set free from slavery to sin. It is up to you to make a choice.

People will however, even if they know punishment is coming, still not subdue to God. Just as Jesus spoke in Matthew 7:13-14

That's not answering my question. Dont beat around the bush. Tell me what my nans did that was so terrible that it was an act of love to punish them by making cancer eat away their body till they died?

Oh, and if man dosent understand holiness and purity, then how comes you somehow think you do?

 

[pladecalvo]

Diseases came into this world because of mans rebellion

Diseases that your god must have created.

We all suffer for the mistake of one man, Adam,

How come!


5 After the kingdom was firmly in his grasp, he executed the officials who had murdered his father the king. 6 Yet he did not put the sons of the assassins to death, in accordance with what is written in the Book of the Law of Moses where the LORD commanded: "Fathers shall not be put to death for their children, nor children put to death for their fathers; each is to die for his own sins."

2 Kings 14:5-6

 

[luc154]

That's not answering my question. Dont beat around the bush. Tell me what my nans did that was so terrible that it was an act of love to punish them by making cancer eat away their body till they died?

Oh, and if man dosent understand holiness and purity, then how comes you somehow think you do?

Even christians die of cancer. We are not exemt of pain, evil and suffering, we also live in a fallen world. I am sorry for your nan but we all deserve to die, the pain we endure now will be nothing compared to the pain in eternity.

I understand a bit of the holiness of God because He saved me and gave revelation. He does that to thousands in these last times.

 

[luc154]

Diseases that your god must have created.


How come!


5 After the kingdom was firmly in his grasp, he executed the officials who had murdered his father the king. 6 Yet he did not put the sons of the assassins to death, in accordance with what is written in the Book of the Law of Moses where the LORD commanded: "Fathers shall not be put to death for their children, nor children put to death for their fathers; each is to die for his own sins."

2 Kings 14:5-6

You headed in the right direction.

 

[gillibean]

Even christians die of cancer. We are not exemt of pain, evil and suffering, we also live in a fallen world. I am sorry for your nan but we all deserve to die, the pain we endure now will be nothing compared to the pain in eternity.

I understand a bit of the holiness of God because He saved me and gave revelation. He does that to thousands in these last times.

If you understand it then why don't I? I was a christian most of my life

 

[Peter Parka]

Even christians die of cancer. We are not exemt of pain, evil and suffering, we also live in a fallen world. I am sorry for your nan but we all deserve to die, the pain we endure now will be nothing compared to the pain in eternity.

I understand a bit of the holiness of God because He saved me and gave revelation. He does that to thousands in these last times.

Exactly! Your god isn't perfect and he's a sadist!

 

[luc154]

Agreed, much better put than I.

I don't quite understand how god, even if he did create us, is worthy worship at all. Creation is easy for him and it was for a selfish purpose.

For the purpose that God be honoured through His creation only because only He is worthy of honour and glory because He has send His Son to save mankind.

 

[luc154]

The Riddle of Epicurus

If God is willing to prevent evil, but is not able to
Then He is not omnipotent.

If He is able, but not willing
Then He is malevolent.

If He is both able and willing
Then whence cometh evil?

If He is neither able nor willing
Then why call Him God?

Do you believe what Epicurus said?

 

[pladecalvo]

What if he is not there when the child reaches again for the hot water? Then the child will remember the pain from the slap and not touch the pot of boiling water.

Straw man! :willy_nilly:
This is what you said:

"Would you say that if a child keeps trying to reach for a pot of hot water on the stove and the father slaps him is a bad thing to do?"

Your implication is that the father is there at the time and slaps the child when the child is attempting to reach the boiling water. Don't move the goal posts just because you have no argument against the rebuttal.....and Gillibean make a valid point when she said that leaving a pot of boiling water in reach of a child when you are not there is mind-bogglingly irresponsible.

God made man perfect, not weak. Man became weak because of his rebellion.

Do you subscribe to the claim that your god is omniscient? If so, please explain why your god, knowing that his 'creation would fail (due to his omniscience), would create it anyway? If you subscribe to an omnimax deity that you have no choice other than to accept that Adam did exactly what your god planned him to do.

 

[gillibean]

For the purpose that God be honoured through His creation only because only He is worthy of honour and glory because He has send His Son to save mankind.

hmmm yea sounds egotistical and not worthy of worship. gratitude and maybe respect but not worship

 

[gillibean]

Do you believe what Epicurus said?

That's essentially what I think.

 

[luc154]

If you understand it then why don't I? I was a christian most of my life

You don't become a christian and then not become a christian. Once you are connected to a holy and loving God you never want to leave Him. You will cling to Him and beg for more knowlegde of this wonderfull Creator. That was why man was created, to know his Creator.

 

[luc154]

That's essentially what I think.

Do you believe what Jesus said?