Is God Hands On?

[Peter Parka]

You don't become a christian and then not become a christian. Once you are connected to a holy and loving God you never want to leave Him. You will cling to Him and beg for more knowlegde of this wonderfull Creator. That was why man was created, to know his Creator.

What absolute twaddle! I was a Christian for quarter of a century, I stopped being one because I finally realised just how much rubbish and hate is in the Bible and Christianity. I'm a much better person for it. I dont hate gay people any more which the god of the Bible hates for starters!

 

[luc154]

What absolute twaddle! I was a Christian for quarter of a century, I stopped being one because I finally realised just how much rubbish and hate is in the Bible and Christianity. I'm a much better person for it. I dont hate gay people any more which the god of the Bible hates for starters!

You are proving by your statements that you don't know God.
God doesn't hate gay people. Jesus also died for them.

 

[pladecalvo]

Yes, I have no reason to doubt Him because He has proven to be God in the flesh. He has left us eye-witness accounts of people who have seen Him after His resurrected. He has given us prophecy, historical reports, wisdom literature, but above all He has given us His Spirit that testifies of His existence.

Don't go around in circles luc. We've already been here. I have shown that there are no eye-witness accounts and you have failed to rebut that. You have failed to address my list of failed prophecy and there are no historical reports other than hearsay reports that were written well after the events. Let's move on.

 

[luc154]

Don't go around in circles luc. We've already been here. I have shown that there are no eye-witness accounts and you have failed to rebut that.

So what are the gospels then?

You have failed to address my list of failed prophecy and there are no historical reports other than hearsay reports that were written well after the events. Let's move on.

You really haven't read the Bible have you?

 

[Peter Parka]

You really haven't read the Bible have you?

I would say that it's you that hasn't, the Bible in many passages quite clearly condemns homosexuality

 

[gillibean]

That is your faith, not mine. I have not yet seen any proof that disproves the validity of Gods word.

Faith has nothing to do with it. There is no empirical evidence that supports the bible being true in it's entirety

 

[luc154]

I would say that it's you that hasn't, the Bible in many passages quite clearly condemns homosexuality

Condeming homosexuality does not mean that He hates homosexuals. Because man has chosen not to woship the Creator, He has left them to worship what He has created in its most intimate state: man with man, woman with woman.
Yet God still wants to deliver them from this depraved state if they will believe that Jesus died for them.

 

[Peter Parka]

Oh, I see, he dosen't hate them, killing them for it is an act of love.:smiley24:

 

[pladecalvo]

Let me help you understand.
First of all, out of which context did you pull this? What book of the Bible?

Why don't you read the bloody post man! It says where it came from in the post....2 Kings 14:5-6

God didn't plan or want them to be disobedient.

Of course he did! Are you now going to tell me that an omnimax deity got something that he didn't want!!!!

You know that when you have kids that they will be disobedient

. Balderdash! You don't know anything of the kind.

Man failed as God knew he would fail.

If your god created something that he knew would fail then that failure is part of the plan. It is sheer lunacy to say that an omnimax deity wanted one thing but got another

Yet this creation is not all there is. There will be another creation, a new creation when God has judged all of mankind. God wants all of mankind in this new creation.

You seem to know an awful lot about the plans of an 'unknowable' deity

So creation has fallen, God knew this , but He also knows that creation will be restored.
And there God will have what He has intended all along. A world without death, sufferings and diseases.

So that poses the question of why an omnipotent deity would not create what it wanted in the first place. Why would a alleged omni-benevolent deity inflict suffering and misery on its creation in order to achieve a perfect end when it could just as easily have achieved what it wanted in the first instance.

 

[luc154]

Oh, I see, he dosen't hate them, killing them for it is an act of love.:smiley24:

God kills all of man. All must die because of the rebellion of man. One day you will die to.

 

[Peter Parka]

God kills all of man. All must die because of the rebellion of man. One day you will die to.

And you're seriously telling me you think people should be killed for the actions of others??? You have a very warped sense of right and wrong!

 

[luc154]

Why don't you read the bloody post man! It says where it came from in the post....2 Kings 14:5-6


Of course he did! Are you now going to tell me that an omnimax deity got something that he didn't want!!!!


. Balderdash! You don't know anything of the kind.


If your god created something that he knew would fail then that failure is part of the plan. It is sheer lunacy to say that an omnimax deity wanted one thing but got another

You seem to know an awful lot about the plans of an 'unknowable' deity


So that poses the question of why an omnipotent deity would not create what it wanted in the first place. Why would a alleged omni-benevolent deity inflict suffering and misery on its creation in order to achieve a perfect end when it could just as easily have achieved what it wanted in the first instance.

You haven't being reading my posts have you?
Stand still and think about them. Read them again.

 

[luc154]

And you're seriously telling me you think people should be killed for the actions of others??? You have a very warped sense of right and wrong!

That is the punishment of disobeying a holy God.

 

[Peter Parka]

I'm out of this one, it's impossible to have a reasonable debate with someone is is quite clearly completely unreasonable!:wtf:

 

[pladecalvo]

You haven't being reading my posts have you?

Yes I have and I have rebutted them. In debate it is now YOUR place to rebut my rebuttals. You aren't doing that luc and are showing yourself incapable of serious debate.

 

[pladecalvo]

I'm out of this one, it's impossible to have a reasonable debate with someone is is quite clearly completely unreasonable!:wtf:

I won't be far behind you Peter!

 

[luc154]

I'm out of this one, it's impossible to have a reasonable debate with someone is is quite clearly completely unreasonable!:wtf:

To have a reasonable debate means not to argue ad hominem but to argue against the argument.

 

[gillibean]

To have a reasonable debate means not to argue ad hominem but to argue against the argument.

The debate is reasonable. You however are not. You appear to have gone from simply irrational to deluded.

 

[pladecalvo]

To have a reasonable debate means not to argue ad hominem but to argue against the argument.

...and that exactly what you're NOT doing. You asked me for "one" failed Bible prophecy and I gave you a list of them and you haven't argued against them apart from two.. I have also shown you that the Gospels could not have been written by eye-witnesses and you haven't addressed that either.

 

[luc154]

...and that exactly what you're NOT doing. You asked me for "one" failed Bible prophecy and I gave you a list of them and you haven't argued against them apart from two.. I have also shown you that the Gospels could not have been written by eye-witnesses and you haven't addressed that either.

There is not one prophecy you have refuted. You just won't accept the explanation of it. That is why I don't give response to the rest of them.
The fact that you say the eye-witness accounts were not written by eye-witnesses shows your dishonesty. You don't even say why you think they were not written by eye witnesses.