Is God Hands On?

[gillibean]

You don't become a christian and then not become a christian. Once you are connected to a holy and loving God you never want to leave Him. You will cling to Him and beg for more knowlegde of this wonderfull Creator. That was why man was created, to know his Creator.

Yes yes you do. The "real christian" argument is by far one of the stupidest things I've ever heard ( and believe me thats saying a lot). You don't know what I believed or how fervently, for you to tell me that I wasn't a real christian in the first place is presumptuous, rude, ignorant and most of all bullshit.

 

[pladecalvo]

You headed in the right direction.

Address the post. Why are we made to suffer for what Adam and Eve did when the Bible specifically states that the children will not suffer for the sins of the fathers?

 

[luc154]

Straw man! :willy_nilly:
This is what you said:

"Would you say that if a child keeps trying to reach for a pot of hot water on the stove and the father slaps him is a bad thing to do?"

Your implication is that the father is there at the time and slaps the child when the child is attempting to reach the boiling water. Don't move the goal posts just because you have no argument against the rebuttal.....and Gillibean make a valid point when she said that leaving a pot of boiling water in reach of a child when you are not there is mind-bogglingly irresponsible.



Do you subscribe to the claim that your god is omniscient? If so, please explain why your god, knowing that his 'creation would fail (due to his omniscience), would create it anyway? If you subscribe to an omnimax deity that you have no choice other than to accept that Adam did exactly what your god planned him to do.

God made man. Man messed up. God was supposed to kill man and separate him from Himself for ever for his rebellion but He didn't. He worked with man to save him from himself. Now there is a way to God through Jesus.

 

[gillibean]

Do you believe what Jesus said?

I only have the words from the bible for that so no, not particularly. I have no idea how much of the bible , especially quotes from people, is true.

 

[luc154]

Address the post. Why are we made to suffer for what Adam and Eve did when the Bible specifically states that the children will not suffer for the sins of the fathers?

Again, you take this part out of context.
Adam and Eve sinned. We suffer the consequences. However, God made a way for man and a solution. Do you want the cure or not? I believe you don't. So why complain?

 

[pladecalvo]

God made man. Man messed up. God was supposed to kill man and separate him from Himself for ever for his rebellion but He didn't. He worked with man to save him from himself. Now there is a way to God through Jesus.

You have, as usual, avoided the specific question. Try again.

Do you subscribe to the claim that your god is omniscient? If so, please explain why your god, knowing that his 'creation would fail (due to his omniscience), would create it anyway? If you subscribe to an omnimax deity that you have no choice other than to accept that Adam did exactly what your god planned him to do.

 

[luc154]

Yes yes you do. The "real christian" argument is by far one of the stupidest things I've ever heard ( and believe me thats saying a lot). You don't know what I believed or how fervently, for you to tell me that I wasn't a real christian in the first place is presumptuous, rude, ignorant and most of all bullshit.

Read the parable of the sower. There will be people who will have false conversions. Few seeds fall into a good ground.

 

[luc154]

You have, as usual, avoided the specific question. Try again.

Do you subscribe to the claim that your god is omniscient? If so, please explain why your god, knowing that his 'creation would fail (due to his omniscience), would create it anyway? If you subscribe to an omnimax deity that you have no choice other than to accept that Adam did exactly what your god planned him to do.

Try to understand my answer, read it again.

 

[luc154]

I only have the words from the bible for that so no, not particularly. I have no idea how much of the bible , especially quotes from people, is true.

Then why do you believe Epicurus and don't Jesus. You are being inconsistent.

 

[gillibean]

Read the parable of the sower. There will be people who will have false conversions. Few seeds fall into a good ground.

I've read it (a few times actually) thanks and it wasn't a false conversion.

 

[luc154]

I've read it (a few times actually) thanks and it wasn't a false conversion.

If it was a true conversion then you would believe God.

 

[gillibean]

Then why do you believe Epicurus and don't Jesus. You are being inconsistent.

I agree with the tone of the riddle. Whether or not it's the exact words I dont know. It's probable, 1 paragraph is easier to keep unedited through centuries that hundreds of them. I disagree with the overall lessons of the bible. It paints god as sadistic, egotistical and inconsistent. Why the hell would I believe that? Why would I want to??

 

[gillibean]

If it was a true conversion then you would believe God.

I did believe god. Then i grew up and stop thinking in circles.

 

[pladecalvo]

Again, you take this part out of context.

:wtf:Is this the only thing you can regurgitate when you are unable to answer. If it doesn't mean what it says, what exactly does it mean.

Your Bible specifically states that children WILL NOT be made to suffer for the sins of their fathers.

Adam and Eve sinned. We suffer the consequences.

They did EXACTLY what your god planned them to do and knew they would do. Why should we suffer for that?

 

[luc154]

Do you believe what Jesus said?

Yes, I have no reason to doubt Him because He has proven to be God in the flesh. He has left us eye-witness accounts of people who have seen Him after His resurrected. He has given us prophecy, historical reports, wisdom literature, but above all He has given us His Spirit that testifies of His existence.
Could Epicurus do al that?

 

[pladecalvo]

Try to understand my answer, read it again.

I don't understand it so please have the decency to explain.

 

[luc154]

:wtf:Is this the only thing you can regurgitate when you are unable to answer. If it doesn't mean what it says, what exactly does it mean.

Your Bible specifically states that children WILL NOT be made to suffer for the sins of their fathers.

Let me help you understand.
First of all, out of which context did you pull this? What book of the Bible?

They did EXACTLY what your god planned them to do and knew they would do. Why should we suffer for that?

God didn't plan or want them to be disobedient. You know that when you have kids that they will be disobedient. Does that not want you to have kids?

 

[gillibean]

Yes, I have no reason to doubt Him because He has proven to be God in the flesh. He has left us eye-witness accounts of people who have seen Him after His resurrected. He has given us prophecy, historical reports, wisdom literature, but above all He has given us His Spirit that testifies of His existence.
Could Epicurus do al that?

Epicurus was only trying to make a point about the inconstencies in god's character. He wasn't claiming to be anything or that his words were the absolute truth. As we've already discussed, there is no proof that the bible is true in its entirety. NONE AT ALL You can believe whatever you want but theres no empirical proof for it.

 

[luc154]

I don't understand it so please have the decency to explain.

ok.

Do you subscribe to the claim that your god is omniscient? If so, please explain why your god, knowing that his 'creation would fail (due to his omniscience), would create it anyway? If you subscribe to an omnimax deity that you have no choice other than to accept that Adam did exactly what your god planned him to do.

Yes I do.
You don't see the full picture. Step back for a while and look at the whole building pls.

God created man to love Him and know Him. Man failed as God knew he would fail. Yet this creation is not all there is. There will be another creation, a new creation when God has judged all of mankind. God wants all of mankind in this new creation.
So creation has fallen, God knew this , but He also knows that creation will be restored.
And there God will have what He has intended all along. A world without death, sufferings and diseases.

 

[luc154]

Epicurus was only trying to make a point about the inconstencies in god's character. He wasn't claiming to be anything or that his words were the absolute truth. As we've already discussed, there is no proof that the bible is true in its entirety. NONE AT ALL You can believe whatever you want but theres no empirical proof for it.

That is your faith, not mine. I have not yet seen any proof that disproves the validity of Gods word.