92 yr. old WWII vet kills home invader

[robdawg1]

you left a 92 year old vet thinking that his only option was to defend himself.

based on the circumstances he did defend himself...and very well i might add

 

[The Man]

why did you request it? why didnt you just let him go if that was your intent all along?

Wasnt the original intent...I merely let him plea bargain his future

 

[robdawg1]

Come on, You are 92 years old, with a wealth of military experience, and you have this little punk with his 2 lackeys kick in your door? what options did he have...if the other party was armed, and they got into a shoot out the old man may have still lost his life! he made the best decision with the situation as it was presented to him!

 

[The Man]

Come on, You are 92 years old, with a wealth of military experience, and you have this little punk with his 2 lackeys kick in your door? what options did he have...if the other party was armed, and they got into a shoot out the old man may have still lost his life! he made the best decision with the situation as it was presented to him!

I fully agree...
I am in shock that there are people arguing otherwise

 

[Kakapo Dundee]

Funny though,in this country, what your guy did would be classed as manslaughter, possibly murder, based on his incriminating testimony. You're happy with the outcome, despite the fact that he executed a man in cold blood without ever seeing a firearm, and yet when a 71 year old woman protects her property against a man that she KNOWS to be armed, We're all negligent?

I'll side with our little old lady over your assassin every time.

 

[robdawg1]

I dont have an issue with what you old lady did, she did what she felt she had to, and I think that the old man did what he felt he had to. the situations were also quite obviously different! If the old lady had been armed and had the ability to, i have no doubt she would have shot them as well.

 

[Kakapo Dundee]

If the old lady had been armed and had the ability to, i have no doubt she would have shot them as well.

And there, in a nutshell, is the difference between America and a civilised country.You genuinely believe that guns are the answer, we believe that guns are the problem.

 

[The Man]

Let me put it simply...if someone has your life in peril you you can either get killed or defend yourself.
Now in the rare event I am in NZ and someone has my life in peril...I will go do my time for manslaughter.
I will not risk being killed only to be obeying the law

 

[Kakapo Dundee]

In the rare event that we allow a self confessed kidnapper and torturer into NZ, your life is far less likely to be in peril. And yes, if you kill someone, the odds are that you will be jailed for it.

 

[Accountable]

And there, in a nutshell, is the difference between America and a civilised country.You genuinely believe that guns are the answer, we believe that guns are the problem.

Guns are tools, damned useful in the right situations. It's perfectly okay for you to not have or use one; its really selfish to demand that others should bow to your fears.

 

[robdawg1]

And there, in a nutshell, is the difference between America and a civilised country.You genuinely believe that guns are the answer, we believe that guns are the problem.

you have a fundamental difference of society here. Ours has not reached the utopia that yours has obviously, where in the only people that have guns are the criminals who intend to break the law with them. Here we also arm police and civilians so that in that situation, the power is not all in the armed criminals hands...

 

[The Man]

you have a fundamental difference of society here. Ours has not reached the utopia that yours has obviously, where in the only people that have guns are the criminals who intend to break the law with them. Here we also arm police and civilians so that in that situation, the power is not all in the armed criminals hands...

Dont let him fool you about NZ being a paradise..Burglary is rampant.

 

[Kakapo Dundee]

I disagree. For every responsible gun owner, there seems to be at least one irresponsible owner. Why should I rely on these people? These are the guns that end up in the hands of criminals, or just as frequently, these are the legal gun owners who use them inappropriately [batman killer, anyone?].

The concept of the Second Amendment was great, in its time. The fact that Bush was available to subject America to the Patriot Act and a host of other breaches of civil rights shows that it's an ineffective historical anomaly.

 

[The Man]

I disagree. For every responsible gun owner, there seems to be at least one irresponsible owner. Why should I rely on these people? These are the guns that end up in the hands of criminals, or just as frequently, these are the legal gun owners who use them inappropriately [batman killer, anyone?].

The concept of the Second Amendment was great, in its time. The fact that Bush was available to subject America to the Patriot Act and a host of other breaches of civil rights shows that it's an ineffective historical anomaly.

Blah blah blah blah

The old man did well having a gun.
As far as NZ it appears guns ended up in the criminals hands as well
Some paradise huh.
In our paradise we dont watch as elderly woman are in danger of dieing.

 

[Kakapo Dundee]

Blah blah blah blah
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I'll come back when you have something worthwhile to post.

 

[robdawg1]

I disagree. For every responsible gun owner, there seems to be at least one irresponsible owner. Why should I rely on these people? These are the guns that end up in the hands of criminals, or just as frequently, these are the legal gun owners who use them inappropriately [batman killer, anyone?].

The concept of the Second Amendment was great, in its time. The fact that Bush was available to subject America to the Patriot Act and a host of other breaches of civil rights shows that it's an ineffective historical anomaly.

I wont disagree with you in reference to the second ammendment being outdated in what it was intended for, however you can admit that living in a society where there is no 2nd ammendment and gun laws are stricter it has not prevented guns from ending up in the hands of the people who woud use them to commit crimes. My argument was that I will also be armed so my chances in a confrontation are significantly better in a match up!

 

[Kakapo Dundee]

I wont disagree with you in reference to the second ammendment being outdated in what it was intended for, however you can admit that living in a society where there is no 2nd ammendment and gun laws are stricter it has not prevented guns from ending up in the hands of the people who woud use them to commit crimes. My argument was that I will also be armed so my chances in a confrontation are significantly better in a match up!

I'm hoping that you have a better grasp of statistics than the poster who mistakenly refers to himself as The Man.

New Zealand has a very high gun ownership ratio, no Second Amendment, and very low firearms offending rates. The common understanding is that handguns serve no useful purpose, shotguns and rifles are for hunting and pest control, and if you so much as point a gun at another person, you are probably committing an offence.Yes, firearms crime occurs, but in no way are the rates comparable to what happens in the US.

Here's some reading to back up the facts.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10660886

 

[The Man]

I'm hoping that you have a better grasp of statistics than the poster who mistakenly refers to himself as The Man.

New Zealand has a very high gun ownership ratio, no Second Amendment, and very low firearms offending rates. The common understanding is that handguns serve no useful purpose, shotguns and rifles are for hunting and pest control, and if you so much as point a gun at another person, you are probably committing an offence.Yes, firearms crime occurs, but in no way are the rates comparable to what happens in the US.

Here's some reading to back up the facts.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10660886

Pretty simple your law requires you to stand there and get killed while we can defend ourselves

 

[The Man]

To further people are afraid to leave their homes in NZ due to the rampant burglary.
This cuts down on crime of would be criminals

 

[Kakapo Dundee]

To further people are afraid to leave their homes in NZ due to the rampant burglary.
This cuts down on crime of would be criminals

As I've already said,I'll talk to you further when you have something worthwhile to post. You've already proved that you don't know diddly about statistics.Repeating your errors only makes you look foolish.