92 yr. old WWII vet kills home invader

[Maulds]

and I bet you loved every minute of it.....otherwise you would have turned him over to the cops, to do THEIR job. You're as bad as the "criminal" you were punishing imo.:thumbdown

I'm kinda curious as to the way you wrote "criminal". If the story is true and he had broken into the guy's home is he not a criminal?

 

[cam elle toe]

hell I even fed the little fucker and gave him a pack of smokes for the road

awww...how charitable of you:clap

 

[The Man]

What if this was a female burglar? Would you have taught her a lesson by raping her?

But hell, it would have been ok since you gave her something to eat and a pack of smokes for the road, right?

If it had been a broad I would have let the cops have her and let her do her time...I dont like criminal women raising children

 

[cam elle toe]

I'm kinda curious as to the way you wrote "criminal". If the story is true and he had broken into the guy's home is he not a criminal?

yes he is. But who is the worse "criminal" here....I know who I think is....

 

[The Man]

yes he is. But who is the worse "criminal" here....I know who I think is....

He had a choice..he didnt want the cops involved.

 

[The Man]

awww...how charitable of you:clap

Yep actually left on good terms ...some of my shit showed up on my porch about 3 days later

 

[cam elle toe]

Yep actually left on good terms ...some of my shit showed up on my porch about 3 days later

now you're stretching it....cant bullshit a bullshitter.:24:

 

[Radley]

If that was me I'd rather off them then let them have the chance to off me! Should be safe in your own home!

 

[Mercury]

Wow ... missed a good one.

 

[AnitaBeer]

I'd have done the same thing. Good for the old man protecting his home and his life.
I will not argue my stance with anyone if you don't like it, then I'd recommend you not try to break into my house. We'll all be happy that way.

 

[Mercury]

This was the first I heard of this incident so I thought I would actually read the reports. So I figured I would try various news organizations ... Associated Press, Fox News, Los Angeles Times and then a post by Alex Jones. (Figured with all this debate, better get it from different sources. hehe)

Wow. I would hate to have been in his situation. I remember once seeing a video on YouTube regarding home protection. In this video, someone breaks into the homeowners house. He hears the break in, goes into his room, loads his shot gun and kneels down on the ground facing the door. After establishing himself he yells, "Don't come in here. I have a gun!" Then proceeds to call 911 and lays the open and active cell phone down on the bed next to him.

That video sounds like the "perfect" way of going about it. Is it really? I don't know ... it would be hard to have a concrete stance on something that I have never experienced ... luckily. So, did the 92 y/o man do the "right" thing?

That is a tough one to answer ... did he really fear for his life or did he figure "a good chance to get rid of this scrum." Now, I think it is this that people are going back and forth about ... thinking they know which he felt. (Or at least sympathizes with either.)

Now, hypothetically speaking, if I were in this man's shoes (which in reality is pretty damn hard to REALLY do) I would think that I might have done the same as him. He is 92, his physical abilities and dexterity I would imagine is probably pretty minimum. So, I grab my weapon for defense, sit in a chair that is facing the basement door and the moment it is VIOLENTLY kicked in, I'm scared shitless and pull the trigger.

Now, in all the reports, the man says, "I aimed for the heart." Now, this could be true that he was in such a calm state of mind that he knew to go for the kill OR was being a "tough guy" afterwards by saying that (or a whole lot of different scenarios.)

It would have been nice if he just entered his room, with a phone and gun and called the police. But at the same time ... was he really able to? It is hard to tell the timing in the various reports about when he heard the noise in the basement to when they came up and kicked open the door.

A pretty scary situation and I am glad that he was not harmed.

 

[The Man]

Excellent post Mercury

 

[AnitaBeer]

This was the first I heard of this incident so I thought I would actually read the reports. So I figured I would try various news organizations ... Associated Press, Fox News, Los Angeles Times and then a post by Alex Jones. (Figured with all this debate, better get it from different sources. hehe)

Wow. I would hate to have been in his situation. I remember once seeing a video on YouTube regarding home protection. In this video, someone breaks into the homeowners house. He hears the break in, goes into his room, loads his shot gun and kneels down on the ground facing the door. After establishing himself he yells, "Don't come in here. I have a gun!" Then proceeds to call 911 and lays the open and active cell phone down on the bed next to him.

That video sounds like the "perfect" way of going about it. Is it really? I don't know ... it would be hard to have a concrete stance on something that I have never experienced ... luckily. So, did the 92 y/o man do the "right" thing?

That is a tough one to answer ... did he really fear for his life or did he figure "a good chance to get rid of this scrum." Now, I think it is this that people are going back and forth about ... thinking they know which he felt. (Or at least sympathizes with either.)

Now, hypothetically speaking, if I were in this man's shoes (which in reality is pretty damn hard to REALLY do) I would think that I might have done the same as him. He is 92, his physical abilities and dexterity I would imagine is probably pretty minimum. So, I grab my weapon for defense, sit in a chair that is facing the basement door and the moment it is VIOLENTLY kicked in, I'm scared shitless and pull the trigger.

Now, in all the reports, the man says, "I aimed for the heart." Now, this could be true that he was in such a calm state of mind that he knew to go for the kill OR was being a "tough guy" afterwards by saying that (or a whole lot of different scenarios.)

It would have been nice if he just entered his room, with a phone and gun and called the police. But at the same time ... was he really able to? It is hard to tell the timing in the various reports about when he heard the noise in the basement to when they came up and kicked open the door.

A pretty scary situation and I am glad that he was not harmed.

I like your post. I just wanted to point out that he was in the military. He was trained, I should say brainwashed (I'm the daughter of a marine so it better describes it from my stance), that when you have that rifle in your hand you shoot to kill. Ok not exactly....maybe? But I'm sure you get what I'm saying. It's ingrained in him what to do when holding that gun. So I believe it when he shot to kill, which I believe he had every right too.

 

[Mercury]

I like your post. I just wanted to point out that he was in the military. He was trained, I should say brainwashed (I'm the daughter of a marine so it better describes it from my stance), that when you have that rifle in your hand you shoot to kill. Ok not exactly....maybe? But I'm sure you get what I'm saying. It's ingrained in him what to do when holding that gun. So I believe it when he shot to kill, which I believe he had every right too.

Yeah, that thought entered my mind as well. I forgot to mention that specifically, but that is true. With such intense training, one's reaction would be to go for the kill and that is possibly what happened.

I would think he had the right to do so as well, as long as he REALLY felt that his life was in danger, which I would assume the worst in a situation like that. Worried that who ever is coming up from the basement is armed, knowing that I am home and seeking my death.

 

[The Man]

Yeah, that thought entered my mind as well. I forgot to mention that specifically, but that is true. With such intense training, one's reaction would be to go for the kill and that is possibly what happened.

I would think he had the right to do so as well, as long as he REALLY felt that his life was in danger, which I would assume the worst in a situation like that. Worried that who ever is coming up from the basement is armed, knowing that I am home and seeking my death.

I think the fact that the door getting kicked in would make one in fear of his life {if he wasnt already}..He claims he wasnt but I think he was just trying to be a tough ole coot with that statement.

Personally I would have fears hearing an intruder during the middle of the night.
Now if I was sitting there with a rifle and the door got kicked in to the area I was in...I can see the trigger getting pulled due to a reasonable fear...I dont know if they are armed I dont know how many...and the fact they kicked the door shows they didnt plan on tip toeing to take my stuff in my sleep...When a door gets kicked in its pretty much guaranteed that invaders and the resident will meet{they didnt plan on a sleep burglary}..Therefore they must plan on doing something with me..perhaps kill me..tie me up who knows.

Hear noises
Grab rifle.
Guard door that separates me and them.
If they jimmied the door open then crept in I would have said...you move you die..then called 911.
But had it busted open,I would have probably shot...I certainly cant hold it against anyone that would under those circumstances.

 

[Mercury]

I think the fact that the door getting kicked in would make one in fear of his life {if he wasnt already}..He claims he wasnt but I think he was just trying to be a tough ole coot with that statement.

Personally I would have fears hearing an intruder during the middle of the night.
Now if I was sitting there with a rifle and the door got kicked in to the area I was in...I can see the trigger getting pulled due to a reasonable fear...I dont know if they are armed I dont know how many...and the fact they kicked the door shows they didnt plan on tip toeing to take my stuff in my sleep...When a door gets kicked in its pretty much guaranteed that invaders and the resident will meet{they didnt plan on a sleep burglary}..Therefore they must plan on doing something with me..perhaps kill me..tie me up who knows.

Hear noises
Grab rifle.
Guard door that separates me and them.
If they jimmied the door open then crept in I would have said...you move you die..then called 911.
But had it busted open,I would have probably shot...I certainly cant hold it against anyone that would under those circumstances.

Yeah, the door getting kicked open is what keeps coming back to me. That is a pretty apparent move that they didn't give a damn about being silent. I wonder if they did know he was home or not. I didn't see anything in any of the reports. But yeah, I know I would have freaked out and probably unloaded! LOL! and I am a terrible shot so ... it would probably be like that scene on Pulp Fiction when the guy bursts through the door and unloads and ends up missing both Samuel L Jackson and John Travolta.

 

[robdawg1]

OK, first things first... If what you said is true TM, then what you did was immoral and reprehensible. you weren't in danger, you were dealing with something that could have been handled appropriately by the proper authorities, and your example of vigilante justice is both shamefull and illegal.

That said....Let a fucker sneak in my basement at 2 am with my wife and kids in the house and then try to kick my basement door open. He WILL catch two bullets to the chest and one to the head, no questions asked! When you make the decision to enter my residence that forcefully, with 2 cohorts, then you are intending to do my family and me harm. I am not going to take the time to ask you if you are armed, I am not going to give my position away by calling out to you. If I have time to call the police before I lock and load, then they can haul your carcass away when they get on scene.
I believe that what the 92 year old man did was applaudable, he was not going to be victimized by these criminals, who had obvious intent to do him bodily harm. Why would they have invaded his home in the manner they did otherwise. I could give two shits if he said he was scared or not, or whether he actually was scared or not, he had a right to defend his life and property in both the legal and moral sense!!

 

[The Man]

OK, first things first... If what you said is true TM, then what you did was immoral and reprehensible. you weren't in danger, you were dealing with something that could have been handled appropriately by the proper authorities, and your example of vigilante justice is both shamefull and illegal.

That said....Let a fucker sneak in my basement at 2 am with my wife and kids in the house and then try to kick my basement door open. He WILL catch two bullets to the chest and one to the head, no questions asked! When you make the decision to enter my residence that forcefully, with 2 cohorts, then you are intending to do my family and me harm. I am not going to take the time to ask you if you are armed, I am not going to give my position away by calling out to you. If I have time to call the police before I lock and load, then they can haul your carcass away when they get on scene.
I believe that what the 92 year old man did was applaudable, he was not going to be victimized by these criminals, who had obvious intent to do him bodily harm. Why would they have invaded his home in the manner they did otherwise. I could give two shits if he said he was scared or not, or whether he actually was scared or not, he had a right to defend his life and property in both the legal and moral sense!!

Me having mercy and allowing an intruder to go after he begs for the law to not get involved makes me the jerk.
Should I have ignored the pleas? I did the little punk a favor..He would have been getting fucked in the joint.
It also was not the first burglary...had been burglarized twice before at that location.{house locked}Police were useless..sure they took reports but that was it....unless they see someone what are they going to do?..If they saw someone then I wouldnt be getting burglarized now would I.....Pretty much the same boat the old man was in
Additionally you may want to look over that list of items that were taken during prior burglaries.
Stealing property is one thing.
Stealing my birth certificate and phone numbers to individuals pisses me off....Additionally
The unclothed pictures were meant for me and only me I expect you and half a nation jacked off to her during the era ....but you know what she always had her clothes on...Letting me take pictures was an absolute show of trust on her part....for them to come up missing is a big let down.....As well as the possibility of ruining a career as the public image would be destroyed....I let down no one rob
I couldnt mention the pictures to the authorities ....wouldnt be private anymore now would it rob...News flash "Provocative pictures of blank blank stolen during a burglary in the area"....No thanks.


Where I am now is a little paradise...burglary isnt even a consideration...house never gets locked..keys are in the vehicles outside as well as inside the garage...garage is open.,,,people return lost wallets, cellphones etc....We have some criminals yes{very few} but more of the petty variety....and an occasional homicide.

 

[Kakapo Dundee]

I guess it's easy to be brave when you have a gun..........

until you come up against a 71 year old New Zealander with a handbag.:24:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10834317

 

[The Man]

But would it have been ok if someone shot the gunman while he was victimizing granny