92 yr. old WWII vet kills home invader

[Kakapo Dundee]

Do you know the history of Australia?




:jk

Never been to Australia. Have you ever been to Canada? Its history is much more like ours than Australia's.

 

[The Man]

You probably can't see it. Nobody in their right and normal mind would do what you suggested. It's very close to psychotic behaviour, and should be treated by trained psychiatrists.

Why do I participate in threads that involve crime? Because only the most controversial crimes ever make it to the debate threads. Man gets caught by police for burglary, man goes to court, gets a fair trial, goes to jail. No real story there. No problem, you do the crim,e, you do the time.

As far as I know there's no country in the civilised world that executes burglars. But unless every incident where a person is killed is challenged, we run the risk of returning to vigilante justice. Laws put in place to allow people to defend themselves must not be perverted into excuses to execute people in cold blood.

You seem to have trouble understanding when to apply the word menace...the burglars are a menace as they go out and burglarize.
How can someone be a menace to society in their own home?...you know when criminals illegally enter.
With your logic that would make a security guard for a brinks truck a menace to society if they shot while being robbed...wtf

 

[The Man]

Criminal? Yes, it does.

But even worse is that fact you are a self described terrorist.

Oh my..from menace to terrorist.
I did the guy a favor...he got his punishment over with...beats sitting in prison a few years.
I am sure he would thank me today

 

[The Man]

It seems that burglary is pretty much an everyday activity in NZ{deemed paradise}...thus why I can see why you are so casual about burglary

Manurewa Rotorua Lower Hutt Sydenham
2001 2003 2001 2003 2001 2003 2001 2003
Sample size 500 512 500 507 500 504 500 510
Number of incidents
All burglaries 93 71 57 84 43 31 51 34
Completed 42 42 30 59 17 17 31 25
Attempted 51 29 27 25 26 14 20 9


http://www.justice.govt.nz/publicat...-2002-and-2004/5-burglary-victimisation-rates



We dont roll like that in the states...while we have criminals...we are not over ridden with them.

I see now why you always appear to be siding with the criminal rather than the victim as its just normal to be a criminal in NZ

 

[The Man]

kentucky during the same era as above had a burglary rate of 0.0065751027795341704357793566566

http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/kycrime.htm

So you are roughly 1230 times more likely to be burglarized in NZ than in Kentucky
Looks like Kentucky should be deem paradise rather than NZ IMO
One thing for sure NZ wouldnt work for me...if burglary is so casual can you imagine shoplifting..wallet snatching, car theft..items stole from car ..how casual that would be?...."Who is that guy honey?"..."just the neighbor stealing the car stereo..dont worry about we will just steal it back tomorrow"

 

[The Man]

Just for spunk I did my area{kept private} for the same time period
The burglary rate was
0.00753517390463853883134163876319
far better than the prior area I resided in
Do I worry about burglary here...not at all its not even a consideration
However it would be a burglars paradise...they could walk up to practically any house in 20 square miles and just walk in day or night and rip off the place but it would be a very very bad idea....perhaps that is why it is so low

 

[Kakapo Dundee]

sources please. If you can quit with the ridiculous attitude for long enough to go find them.

 

[Kakapo Dundee]

I did the guy a favor...he got his punishment over with...beats sitting in prison a few years.
I am sure he would thank me today

See a shrink, you're not normal. Be grateful that he didn't report you, or you'd most likely be doing jail time yourself.

 

[Kakapo Dundee]

It seems that burglary is pretty much an everyday activity in NZ{deemed paradise}...thus why I can see why you are so casual about burglary

Manurewa Rotorua Lower Hutt Sydenham
2001 2003 2001 2003 2001 2003 2001 2003
Sample size 500 512 500 507 500 504 500 510
Number of incidents
All burglaries 93 71 57 84 43 31 51 34
Completed 42 42 30 59 17 17 31 25
Attempted 51 29 27 25 26 14 20 9


http://www.justice.govt.nz/publicat...-2002-and-2004/5-burglary-victimisation-rates



We dont roll like that in the states...while we have criminals...we are not over ridden with them.

I see now why you always appear to be siding with the criminal rather than the victim as its just normal to be a criminal in NZ

You really are only kidding yourself. Did you run with 10 year old figures from the worst crime areas just to try and make your argument fit?
Show me the stats from some of the many slums in america where ever kid has his own gun.

 

[Kakapo Dundee]

kentucky during the same era as above had a burglary rate of 0.0065751027795341704357793566566

http://www.disastercenter.com/crime/kycrime.htm

So you are roughly 1230 times more likely to be burglarized in NZ than in Kentucky
Looks like Kentucky should be deem paradise rather than NZ IMO
One thing for sure NZ wouldnt work for me...if burglary is so casual can you imagine shoplifting..wallet snatching, car theft..items stole from car ..how casual that would be?...."Who is that guy honey?"..."just the neighbor stealing the car stereo..dont worry about we will just steal it back tomorrow"

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Clearly statistics was not your major. Did you finish high school?

Enough with your silliness. Get a clue or don't bother talking to me.

 

[Joe the meek]

I have read 2 articles on it..it all went down pretty fast.
He heard the noise where they entered in the basement...then went and grabbed a rifle...they kicked in the door {basement}..which actually means the upstairs where he was at.
He shot and killed one...the other two took out their friend where he died later.
Yes the old man was scared,,,thus why he grabbed the rifle,him saying he wasn't scared is just acting tough to the media.
I wouldnt have alerted the home invaders where I was at in the house either....yelling will have done just that.
"Hey the old man might have a gun...lets go and come back again after he falls back asleep"..or "we need to change our plan..go look in the windows and see where he is..cap the old guy"

The fact they kicked in the door pretty much means they prepared to do the old man harm....who would sleep through a door getting kicked in?...this wasnt an ordinary lets take the old mans stuff while he is asleep break in.

Its a good thing the old man heard them and was able to grab a rifle.

The old man had been getting ripped off badly prior from stolen cattle to firearms ...Good thing he obtained another rifle.

When I lived at a prior residence I was getting ripped off due to my location...the law was of no use.
I caught the little dick in my house and terrorized his punk ass for about three hours..from drinking dirty dish water to begging for his life...does this make me a criminal?.{not by law standard but by moral standard}
Not IMO..many of the items cant be replaced...stuff that was handed down through the family....as well as...
Autographs,promotional albums not available to the public,pictures of myself with various actors and actresses.
Phone records,Phone books with numbers in the back with personal phone numbers to the Attorney General, member of the house of representatives,prominent bands,some actors and actresses,comedians...hell even my birth certificate.
But what really pissed me off was some private photos of an individual whose career could be thoroughly damaged if made public.
If I had it to do all over again I would smash his fucking head and scatter his brain matter for insect feed

The old man had time to get his rifle and sit in the chair and WAIT for the men to kick the door down. That takes time.

The old man did NOT inform the intruders that he had a weapon and he would use it if they proceeded to enter.

The old man did not call authorities before or during the time of the break in.

The old man stated that he had no fear of losing his life.

Yes, the old man was burglarized previously, but then you could assume he was just pissed off and wasn't going to take it anymore, and the next unlucky bastard was going to get shot, come hell or high water, which does seem to be the case.

Don't get me wrong, I still probably wouldn't convict the guy if I were on a jury, BUT some charges should be brought up.

I've trained my wife and children what to do in the event if someone were to break into our home, and this guy broke almost every rule in the book to cover his ass.

 

[The Man]

sources please. If you can quit with the ridiculous attitude for long enough to go find them.

First two have sources,mine is kept private for obvious reasons...learn to read

 

[The Man]

You really are only kidding yourself. Did you run with 10 year old figures from the worst crime areas just to try and make your argument fit?
Show me the stats from some of the many slums in america where ever kid has his own gun.

No..its all I could find that wasnt in pdf form...who gives a fuck if its 10 year old figures..Burglary in NZ is a casual activity

 

[The Man]

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Clearly statistics was not your major. Did you finish high school?

Enough with your silliness. Get a clue or don't bother talking to me.

You act like a little bitch{not trying to sound like an ass here}..first you say sources please when they were in the post,now you claim my statistics are wrong{which shows you read the sources}..but yet dont offer your won statistic from the sources} wth...Yesterday you claimed I was on ignore or the sort
Why dont you just stick to the facts...NZ is rampant with burglary..Kentucky isnt..Your emotional out bursts dont change that

 

[The Man]

The old man had time to get his rifle and sit in the chair and WAIT for the men to kick the door down. That takes time.

The old man did NOT inform the intruders that he had a weapon and he would use it if they proceeded to enter.

The old man did not call authorities before or during the time of the break in.

The old man stated that he had no fear of losing his life.

Yes, the old man was burglarized previously, but then you could assume he was just pissed off and wasn't going to take it anymore, and the next unlucky bastard was going to get shot, come hell or high water, which does seem to be the case.

Don't get me wrong, I still probably wouldn't convict the guy if I were on a jury, BUT some charges should be brought up.

I've trained my wife and children what to do in the event if someone were to break into our home, and this guy broke almost every rule in the book to cover his ass.

The old man had time to get his rifle and sit in the chair and WAIT for the men to kick the door down. That takes time.

Do you agree the first thing to do is grab your riflle...and yes he had to wait for them to kick in the door down...but lets face it its not going to take long to tip toe through the basement and up the stairs to kick in the door ..the wait isnt that long..he is 92 I would sit too...he obviosly didnt go looking for them he sat down upstairs and shot when the door was kicked open.

The old man did NOT inform the intruders that he had a weapon and he would use it if they proceeded to enter.

Wasnt any time as they kicked in the door..remember he stayed upstairs ..then they kicked in the door.

The old man did not call authorities before or during the time of the break in.

He couldnt do it before as they were already in the basement.
Why bother with doing it during as to let the invaders hear your voice...besides time is important..grab the rifle first ..second how long is it going to take the sheriff to get to his place out in the country.

The old man stated that he had no fear of losing his life.

Sure he did that is why he grabbed the rifle..he merely said he wasnt scared as an effort to impress the media..Who wouldnt be scared? Nothing to be ashamed of.

Yes, the old man was burglarized previously, but then you could assume he was just pissed off and wasn't going to take it anymore, and the next unlucky bastard was going to get shot, come hell or high water, which does seem to be the case.

Possibly..never know..one thing for sure them guys wont be back.
One link said two burglarys prior..one said three...either way its to many...Who wouldnt be pissed by then ?
But I dont think he was out to execute.....he didnt shoot the other two...they even took the guy that got shot with em.
I suspect the door getting kicked open done it....had it opened slow it more than likely would have been "Hold it right there fellow or I will put a hole n you"

Don't get me wrong, I still probably wouldn't convict the guy if I were on a jury, BUT some charges should be brought up.

If not going to convict then why charge him

 

[Kakapo Dundee]

You act like a little bitch{not trying to sound like an ass here}..first you say sources please when they were in the post,now you claim my statistics are wrong{which shows you read the sources}..but yet dont off your won statistic for the sources} wth...Yesterday you claimed I was on ignore or the sort
Why dont you just stick to the facts...NZ is rampant with burglary..Kentucky isnt..Your Emotional out bursts dont change that

Your 'statistics' do not match apples with apples. Go back to school.

And when you've learn to compile a proper comparison, go to the next class-debating.

Even if your statistics weren't an embarrassing schoolboy error, you'd learn that they are completely irrelevant to the discussion.

Please stop acting like this, its getting embarrassing.

 

[Kakapo Dundee]

No..its all I could find that wasnt it pdf form...who gives a fuck if its 10 year old figures..Burglary in NZ is a casual activity

Again, statistics 101.

Compare apples with apples. What you have done is pulled one set of figures from 10 years ago based on small batch sampling in known urban problem areas and compared it to a information source from a different era, using whole-of-population data.


I'll give you an F for this, try harder, or better still, learn to stay on topic.

 

[The Man]

Again, statistics 101.

Compare apples with apples. What you have done is pulled one set of figures from 10 years ago based on small batch sampling in known urban problem areas and compared it to a information source from a different era, using whole-of-population data.


I'll give you an F for this, try harder, or better still, learn to stay on topic.

Incorrect again..as I didnt use the high figures from the chart but the average from the areas.
As explained the figures are 10 years old as everything else was in PDF for NZ..for fairness I used 10 year old figures for Kentucky.
You yourself have even stated in one of these threads about NZ having burglary problems...shall I go find that as well ...or will you claim that to be oranges as well.

 

[The Man]

I do remember seeing that you could shoot to protect your property as well as for trespassing in KY...now I could see that as a problem...shooting someone for trespassing across your land or stealing a tire off the car is a bit much...KY is in need of some law changes granted....but when your door gets kicked in at 2 am for a home invasion you have to protect yourself

 

[Kakapo Dundee]

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I'm done wasting time with you. Go back to school.