92 yr. old WWII vet kills home invader

[Kakapo Dundee]

I think I know what is going on rob{at least with this particular case}

It's crystal clear that you have absolutely no idea, and that you are not interested in finding the truth.

 

[Kakapo Dundee]

This just made me think of something ...

Is it possible that here in the U.S. we are more afraid of each other because of the constant display of news stories regarding gun violence and ergo, feel that we need to be protected from one-another by owning a firearm?

What news stories are typically seen in NZ?

Every gun related incident is national news.
Every homicide is still national news.
Every homicide trial is still national news.

There are firearms related incidents [i.e. Police vs Steven Wallis] that remain of national interest long after the event [9 years in this case]
http://www.ipca.govt.nz/Site/media/2009/2009-Mar17-Steven-Wallace.aspx

And that still leaves plenty of room for what other countries would consider pretty ordinary news.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10834411

 

[Joe the meek]

When someone kicks in your door your life is in danger.

Not always true. You can find multiple stories like this one where someone ended up at the wrong house by accident.

http://www.star-telegram.com/2012/01/03/3631184/fort-worth-man-shot-trying-to.html

The above is one of MANY reasons why when defending your home, you NEVER go to the threat, but let the threat come to you.

Now, in the case of the old man, he let the threat come to him, BUT it comes across more of an ambush than anything else.

As far as letting people know who enter your home that you are armed and dangerous and that the authorities have been notified and are on the way, odds are someone breaking into your home doesn't want to have to deal with an armed homeowner and run the risk of being shot AND realizing that cops are on the way. You also don't have to deal with the authorities for shooting someone to boot, which IMO is a good thing.

 

[Mercury]

Every gun related incident is national news.
Every homicide is still national news.
Every homicide trial is still national news.

There are firearms related incidents [i.e. Police vs Steven Wallis] that remain of national interest long after the event [9 years in this case]
http://www.ipca.govt.nz/Site/media/2009/2009-Mar17-Steven-Wallace.aspx

And that still leaves plenty of room for what other countries would consider pretty ordinary news.

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10834411

Interesting. Thanks for sharing!

 

[The Man]

Not always true. You can find multiple stories like this one where someone ended up at the wrong house by accident.

http://www.star-telegram.com/2012/01/03/3631184/fort-worth-man-shot-trying-to.html

The above is one of MANY reasons why when defending your home, you NEVER go to the threat, but let the threat come to you.

Now, in the case of the old man, he let the threat come to him, BUT it comes across more of an ambush than anything else.

As far as letting people know who enter your home that you are armed and dangerous and that the authorities have been notified and are on the way, odds are someone breaking into your home doesn't want to have to deal with an armed homeowner and run the risk of being shot AND realizing that cops are on the way. You also don't have to deal with the authorities for shooting someone to boot, which IMO is a good thing.

In your link the guy was ringing the door bell repeatably ...he finally just went in...it was the wrong address
The woman was a cunt for not answering her door...but rather getting a gun while the doorbell ringing

This is NO way similar to living in the country and getting your door kicked in for a home invasion.

Additionally you quoted me in regard to a kicked in door...this stranger did not kick in the door

 

[Joe the meek]

This is NO way similar to living in the country and getting your door kicked in for a home invasion.

Well, if we're talking about living out in the country, you should have no problems with letting an intruder know that your armed.

 

[The Man]

Well, if we're talking about living out in the country, you should have no problems with letting an intruder know that your armed.

Oh,,,so let em know in the country but not the city?...Wtf

 

[Joe the meek]

Oh,,,so let em know in the country but not the city?...Wtf

You're the one who said you shouldn't let an intruder know your armed, not I.

Personally, ANYWHERE you live I'd suggest letting the intruder know your armed.

 

[The Man]

You're the one who said you shouldn't let an intruder know your armed, not I.

Personally, ANYWHERE you live I'd suggest letting the intruder know your armed.

It depends on the situation..once they are inside then no...as that will give up your location in the building.

 

[Joe the meek]

It depends on the situation..once they are inside then no...as that will give up your location in the building.

You don't get it, do you.

I don't care if they know where I'm at.

READ my avatar.

It's a FACT that it is easier to defend a position than take a position, particularly if you don't know the strengths of the defensive position.

Then, if the intruders KNOW that you are armed AND they still carry forward to your position AND you've already contacted authorities for help, you can proceed with the turkey shoot with little fear that you had exhausted all means available to AVOID the situation to begin with.

 

[The Man]

You don't get it, do you.

I don't care if they know where I'm at.

READ my avatar.

It's a FACT that it is easier to defend a position than take a position, particularly if you don't know the strengths of the defensive position.

Then, if the intruders KNOW that you are armed AND they still carry forward to your position AND you've already contacted authorities for help, you can proceed with the turkey shoot with little fear that you had exhausted all means available to AVOID the situation to begin with.

I don't care if they know where I'm at

You not caring if they know where you are is not very wise IMO
As you just gave away your position...which now is an advantage you have just given up.

READ my avatar.

LOL...is that credentials

It's a FACT that it is easier to defend a position than take a position, particularly if you don't know the strengths of the defensive position.

Which is why you dont let them know your position.....I suspect you have never been hunting.....The turkey gives away his position via telling you where he is at....a big disadvantage for the bird

Then, if the intruders KNOW that you are armed AND they still carry forward to your position.

Brilliant tell the invaders where you are at and what you have for self defense.

AND you've already contacted authorities for help,

LOL ....like they will get there in the 10 seconds...lol the only thing you have done is let the invaders hear which room you are in.

you can proceed with the turkey shoot with little fear that you had exhausted all means available to AVOID the situation to begin with

LOL....that would be fine during your ideal invasion...where the invaders are deaf nor have an interest in finding you after kicking in the door.

 

[Joe the meek]

I'd be willing to bet that you have NEVER tried a CQC drill trying to clear out a structure, be it you know where your opposition is OR not.

My SOP doesn't change be it a doped up idiot or a SOG tries to come at me with force (although I'm guessing if a SOG comes after me they will know where I'm at to begin with LOL)

When an intruder/intruders come into my home, I'm not hunting, I'm protecting. I said nothing about telling anyone what I'm armed with, just that I'm armed. If they still proceed, I know they are putting their life at risk and that tells me more about the situation and how to proceed.

To many idiots have guns in their home which give them a false sense of security and they go and do stupid things which put their lives needlessly at risk.

 

[The Man]

I'd be willing to bet "The Man" has NEVER tried a CQC drill trying to clear out a structure, be it you know where your opposition is OR not.

My SOP doesn't change be it a doped up idiot or a SOG tries to come at me with force (although I'm guessing if a SOG comes after me they will know where I'm at to begin with LOL)

When an intruder/intruders come into my home, I'm not hunting, I'm protecting. I said nothing about telling anyone what I'm armed with, just that I'm armed. If they still proceed, I know they are putting their life at risk and that tells me more about the situation and how to proceed.

To many idiots have guns in their home which give them a false sense of security and they go and do stupid things which put their lives needlessly at risk.

I am willing to bet that joe has never had a vegetarian topped with roast beef upon crackled oat bread...damn good stuff.

Now joe you have stated you would call the police and tell the invaders you are armed in your posts.
Ok joe...Mean Johnny comes over kicks in your door.
Joe calls police ...Johnny hears joe calling police
Johnny head to joes voice and caps joe.

If joe did get the call in without johnny finding joe
Joe yells to Johnny that joe is armed.
Johnny says to himself thank you joe as I know where you are and what to expect.
Johnny would have treated the room you are in just like the rest ...but not now.
THEY MAY NOT HAVE EVEN WENT TO THAT ROOM
He knows where you are and that you are armed
You may have just got yourself shot rather than being tied up joe.

Reminds me of the occurrence where the woman hid in an empty deep freezer..she took the pistol climbed in and let the door down.
Kept quiet...she wasnt found.
She said if that door opened up she was going to shoot.

She did well...she didnt use her voice in any manner{on a phone} which an intruder can hear.
She didnt alert the intruder by doing such.
She didnt alert an intruder by yelling out that she is armed..which would give up her location.
She didnt let an intruder know she was armed which would raise her own threat level.

The same holds true whether a closet a bathroom, laundry room,under a bed..or just down the end of the hallway.

 

[robdawg1]

A good point. You seriously have (or had) weekly violent crimes in your town? Damn! That would be enough to make one pretty damn edgy and wanting to own a tool used for self defense. I definitely believe in the statistics that U.S. gun crime is EXTREMELY high, I just was wondering if it might be a circle of fear that might be causing it. Now that is interesting ... weekly events ... where is this? (if you don't mind sharing).

I live in a really small town all things considered, in warner robins ga. I say small, but we have an international population as a result of the very large airforce base in our town. I am also confident that this crime pattern exists in other towns of our size because most of ours go unreported in the news. Our law enforcement is very efficient at our investigations, and the news media rarely finds out about our issues.

 

[Springsteen]

Thread moved to Philosophy and Debate after a staff discussion.

Carry on

 

[robdawg1]

You don't get it, do you.

I don't care if they know where I'm at.

READ my avatar.

It's a FACT that it is easier to defend a position than take a position, particularly if you don't know the strengths of the defensive position.

Then, if the intruders KNOW that you are armed AND they still carry forward to your position AND you've already contacted authorities for help, you can proceed with the turkey shoot with little fear that you had exhausted all means available to AVOID the situation to begin with.

I understand where you are coming from , and in the event that you have the time to call out a warning and call the authorities thats fine. In the event that time is crucial, your reaction has to be immediate to defend yourself and that reaction MUST constitute that the intruder is armed and has the intent to do you harm!

 

[The Man]

I understand where you are coming from , and in the event that you have the time to call out a warning and call the authorities thats fine. In the event that time is crucial, your reaction has to be immediate to defend yourself and that reaction MUST constitute that the intruder is armed and has the intent to do you harm!

Joes routine would work if he saw them drive up possibly and knew they were going to invade.
But in real life...when the door gets kicked..there is very little time.
And as you say ..."constitute that the intruder is armed and has the intent to do you harm"
Which I would do as well.

 

[Joe the meek]

I understand where you are coming from , and in the event that you have the time to call out a warning and call the authorities thats fine. In the event that time is crucial, your reaction has to be immediate to defend yourself and that reaction MUST constitute that the intruder is armed and has the intent to do you harm!

You're absolutely right.

Drive down my driveway, I know your coming before you even hit the 100 yard mark. Want to walk? Fine. Just don't know what you're going to lug in without some other alarms going off.

A gun is nothing more than tool. There are other tools to help you protect you and your home other than just a weapon.

Generally, ANYONE robbing a house doesn't want the hassle of having to deal with a prepared homeowner, particularly when they know the homeowner is prepared.

The old man per this story had PLENTY of time.

Lots of trained cops fuck up forced entries where their opposition is armed and dangerous. Coming through a doorway with force when you know people on the other side are armed is a ball buster, particularly if you aren't wearing any body armor.

 

[Jackass master]

Thread moved to Philosophy and Debate after a staff discussion.

Carry on

Sorry if I posted this in the wrong area. Sure lets you know where folks stand on things. Just to be clear, I will call after I shoot your ass.

 

[The Man]

The old man per this story had PLENTY of time.

Lots of trained cops fuck up forced entries where their opposition is armed and dangerous. Coming through a doorway with force when you know people on the other side are armed is a ball buster, particularly if you aren't wearing any body armor.

The old man per this story had PLENTY of time.
How much is plenty?

man hears noise in basement
Grabs rifle
Sits down with eye on door
Invaders kick in door.
Do you think they were down there having a party and strolled up later?

I mean how fast can the cops get there?
The invaders were already in the basement right...then kicked in the door to upstairs right?

Lots of trained cops fuck up forced entries where their opposition is armed and dangerous. Coming through a doorway with force when you know people on the other side are armed is a ball buster,

Now what happens if they get on the phone to call their friends to come help them/ then yell out to the cops that they are armed?
Really isnt time to call is there...and it wouldnt be wise to tell the intruders {cops in this case lol} that you are armed

Its a home invasion right...its just by the police.