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KimmyCharmeleon
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From your first link
As you see its not just "My country"...the united states...its a world effort against terrorism.
Why is Australia in the war are they after the resources to as you claim the reason for the united states engaging
From your second link
So they hand them over whats the issue here...people wanted gitmo closed..so let them suffer from some iraqi justice
From your third link
Some leak....this show that Iraq was much like the taliban and treated it own people like mice.
Its good to see Australia and their ally the united states not partaking in these actions
Okay, what you don't see is that, yes, these civilians do get killed by their own country's forces, but your country is also doing it too. How can you deny that when the evidence is right there?
You can say all you want about my country doing it too, does not mean I support it though. You can't assign me a view which I don't actually hold. Illogical.
The US controls this world, of course Australia and other allies of the US are going to assist, I'm pretty sure it's in a treaty or some shit.
Yeah, but the article also says this:
And the second one again...
I can't believe you just dismissed all of that. You can't just look for evidence that confirms everything you're trying to prove. Clearly there was much more there that contradicts with what you say more than what supports you.
Try again
Also, nice try for your country trying to cover it up...not.
But why are the deaths by the enemy troops etc so much less than them them killing each other?....Way more I might add
Talk about sloppy....but wait much of it is on purpose..a roadside bomb is pretty intentional.
Hmm.....Now do you see why we went in?...seriously
KimmyCharmeleon
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But why are the deaths by the enemy troops etc so much less than them them killing each other?....Way more I might add
Talk about sloppy....but wait much of it is on purpose..a roadside bomb is pretty intentional.
Hmm.....Now do you see why we went in?...seriously
Yeah, because the US has to intervene in everything and be the big hero
Why the hell do we have to intervene into their matters when obviously the people of the West can't tolerate that culture? Of course it is bound to make shit worse. If you didn't notice, deaths have rose since 2001, since the US intervened. I believe the 'more killings from the Middle East's side' have got to do with the fact that it's their way of trying to kill people on 'our side'.Accordding to Mzs link they were responsible for 76 percent of their own killings
Do you see we and australia went in?....they are a bunch of fruiltloop terrorists over there that just kill kill kill...who ever whatever
Geez if we killed enough on accident to make such a fuss...you would thing them killing three times as many of thier own on purpose would be considered pretty serious
Yeah, because the US has to intervene in everything and be the big hero
As I stated earlier fruitloop terrorists started taking off like rabbits that is why the global war on terror...I will also mention I am glad that Australia is also a participant of this effort.
You state the killing have risen since 2001?
What does this show?.....you cant kill the fuckers fast enough...had this been left unchecked hard telling would would happen....terrorists started to grow quick...much like when new nikes hit the market it was crazy....you cant please the fuckers...kills jews.kills cristians.kill lesser muslims.....pure evil bastards growing like mushrooms on a cow patty
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We go under advisement of the UN....I am glad to see australia also with the same mind set and say fuck terroristsYeah, because the US has to intervene in everything and be the big hero
Didnt you read your links?....they kill their own people at 3 times the rate we did on accident..that doesnt include external terrorists attacks that happen daily.....you can thank your govt for keeping you safe.
Makes no sense kimmy arent the people supposed to kill the enemy? ..not thier own people?....they are terrorists...lesser muslims are also targets...seriously...why do you think we went in in 2001....we had no choice...and as we can see you can kill em of fast enough as this crazy shit just keeps growing...we are whipping ass in africa as well.
No we wear uniforms they are pussies and hide among people...you think they could be more careful if accidents do happen....are you suggesting they dont care about civilians now?
I am sure the Australians forces also wear uniforms this is standard except for terrorists pussies...as a matter of fact that is why some civilian die by US and Australian forces.
The troops are getting the civilians by accident..while terrorists can identify the target
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You should stick around
Technically they have right to build if all conditions are met with zoning etc.
Here is the problem though..Muslims use the quran rather that the bible.
The bible states follow the law of the land..the quran states follow the quran.
Yikes,,,its about like our old testament and has very crude punishments.
Technically the muslims by practice of religious freedom can claim to use the quran for law.
We cant do that with the bible.
Muslims in other nations have had riots etc and have areas that have no police allowed and use sharia law..this happens when the muslim level reached a few percentage points.
These other nations also have freedom of religion just as we do..providing the loophole needed...so in effect a way needs to be found to stop the mosques or screen all incoming muslims according to origin...this would be discrimination ofcourse ..its not a good picture when fully painted.
These religious exemptions are already in existence by the example of the amish not paying taxes and by jehovah witnesses refusing blood to an ill child resulting in death...there are others as well...our holes are there
I would also like to point out that 85 percent of the mosques are funded by the violent sect of islam...I do not know about this proposed in tenn however as I havent researched it it in depth.
We have to put a stop to this
Minor Axis
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Do you know how appropriate your comment is?
You have to understand the 'philosophy' behind Islamic laws and just not judge them by your standards to which are you strongly conditioned and attached
I do understand. Punishment is deterrence. Break a law and you are forever marked. I'm sure some readers in this forum love the harshness of it, but I don't. It is not a matter of being conditioned, it's using logic to identify the punishment as barbaric. I expect the human race to evolve past barbarism, but apparently in some corners it has not. Barbarity is all in the eye of the beholder?
bar·bar·ic/bärˈbarik/Adjective
1. Savagely cruel; exceedingly brutal.
2. Primitive; unsophisticated.
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With such thoughts in your mind how do you expect any reader to imagine that the US is a secular democratic state???? You are only trying to spoil the image of your country by spewing such prejudices and personal hate-mongering against others.
Since yyou have a lot of spare time gooking on this topic you'd better joined the marines and fought the war shoulder to shoulder with them to exterminate terrorists.
Therre are thousands of links which speak about killing of innocent civilians by the NATO forces and their allied locals....but you are not ready to listen to truth and just want hand-picked links for or against something...and that is not desirable of a gentleman!!
Do you know how appropriate your comment is?
I do understand. Punishment is deterrence. Break a law and you are forever marked. I'm sure some readers in this forum love the harshness of it, but I don't. It is not a matter of being conditioned, it's using logic to identify the punishment as barbaric. I expect the human race to evolve past barbarism, but apparently in some corners it has not. Barbarity is all in the eye of the beholder?
bar·bar·ic/bärˈbarik/Adjective
1. Savagely cruel; exceedingly brutal.
2. Primitive; unsophisticated.
''Barbarism' is when you kill innocent people-killing terrorists or criminals is not!
try to do better in understanding English----yours is American, sorry!!
LOL he is from America he knows the system
As far as thousands of links you provided 2...both of with shown the majority of civilians are killed by insurgents not by opposing forces
Quote:
Originally Posted by mazHur
12 July 2010 at 11:46 GMT
Afghanistan: civilian casualties 'on the rise'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10598764
Civilian Casualties in Afghanistan: Beyond the Body Count
Wednesday 11 August 2010
http://www.truth-out.org/civilian-ca...time-high62222
From your first link
Quote:
Violence has soared across Afghanistan in recent months, with 212 civilians killed during June alone, Afghanistan Rights Monitor says.
Most of the deaths documented by the report were caused by insurgents, the report notes, with the widespread use of roadside bombs particularly deadly, killing almost 300 civilians.
Suicide bombs were also a major cause of death, the organisation said.
So it appears as if the majority of deaths come from their own people...they must not give a shit about killing some innocent civilians as long as they get some troops along the way.
Thanks again:thumbup
From your second link
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Taliban and insurgent groups were responsible for 76 percent of the civilians killed this year, most of them victims of roadside and suicide bombs known as improvised explosive device (IED) attacks. The WikiLeaks War Dairy of thousands of classified military documents reveal that IED attacks against coalition forces and civilians increased from 308 in 2004 in to 7,155 in 2009. These crude attacks intimidate an already scarred populace.
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Minor Axis
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Huh? War by nature is barbaric. There is plenty of blame to go around.
LOL he is from America he knows the system
As far as thousands of links you provided 2...both of with shown the majority of civilians are killed by insurgents not by opposing forces
Quote:
Originally Posted by mazHur
12 July 2010 at 11:46 GMT
Afghanistan: civilian casualties 'on the rise'
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10598764
Civilian Casualties in Afghanistan: Beyond the Body Count
Wednesday 11 August 2010
http://www.truth-out.org/civilian-ca...time-high62222
From your first link
Quote:
Violence has soared across Afghanistan in recent months, with 212 civilians killed during June alone, Afghanistan Rights Monitor says.
Most of the deaths documented by the report were caused by insurgents, the report notes, with the widespread use of roadside bombs particularly deadly, killing almost 300 civilians.
Suicide bombs were also a major cause of death, the organisation said.
So it appears as if the majority of deaths come from their own people...they must not give a shit about killing some innocent civilians as long as they get some troops along the way.
Thanks again:thumbup
From your second link
Quote:
Taliban and insurgent groups were responsible for 76 percent of the civilians killed this year, most of them victims of roadside and suicide bombs known as improvised explosive device (IED) attacks. The WikiLeaks War Dairy of thousands of classified military documents reveal that IED attacks against coalition forces and civilians increased from 308 in 2004 in to 7,155 in 2009. These crude attacks intimidate an already scarred populace.
http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=2977
http://therealnews.com/t2/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=31&Itemid=74&jumival=2977
Hang the Hangman, man!!
Warring for a good cause is NOT barbaric! Won't you fight for your country if terrorists attacked it?? ugh!!
It's Jobs or Wars, Not Both
By David Swanson
http://www.countercurrents.org/swanson011110.htm
The Washington Post's David Broder thinks more war will bring us more jobs. Unlike in Germany, where the president was forced out of office earlier this year for suggesting that war in Afghanistan could benefit the German economy, Americans don't seem to have serious moral qualms about slaughtering human beings for no good reason
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What We Face In The United States
By Timothy V. Gatto
http://www.countercurrents.org/gatto011110.htm
I want to clarify just what I know to be true in the United States today and a little about my background
By David Swanson
http://www.countercurrents.org/swanson011110.htm
The Washington Post's David Broder thinks more war will bring us more jobs. Unlike in Germany, where the president was forced out of office earlier this year for suggesting that war in Afghanistan could benefit the German economy, Americans don't seem to have serious moral qualms about slaughtering human beings for no good reason
...............................
What We Face In The United States
By Timothy V. Gatto
http://www.countercurrents.org/gatto011110.htm
I want to clarify just what I know to be true in the United States today and a little about my background
Independent, September 11, 2010
Robert Fisk: Nine years, two wars, hundreds of thousands dead - and nothing learnt
''And yes, I know the arguments. We cannot compare the actions of evil terrorists with the courage of our young men and women, defending our lives - and sacrificing theirs - on the front lines of the 'war on terror". There can be no "equivalence". "They" kill innocents because "they" are evil. "We" kill innocents by mistake. But we know we are going to kill innocents - we willingly accept that we are going to kill innocents, that our actions are going to create mass graves of families, of the poor and the weak and the dispossessed.
This is why we created the obscene definition of "collateral damage". For if "collateral" means that these victims are innocent, then "collateral" also means that we are innocent of killing them. It was not our wish to kill them - even if we knew it was inevitable that we would. "Collateral" is our exoneration. This one word is the difference between "them" and "us", between our God-given right to kill and Bin Laden's God-given right to murder. The victims, hidden away as "collateral" corpses, don't count any more because they were slaughtered by us. Maybe it wasn't so painful. Maybe death by drone is a more gentle departure from this earth, evisceration by an AGM-114C Boeing-Lockheed air-to-ground missile less painful, than death by shards from a roadside bomb or a cruel suicider with an explosive belt.''
Robert Fisk: Nine years, two wars, hundreds of thousands dead - and nothing learnt
''And yes, I know the arguments. We cannot compare the actions of evil terrorists with the courage of our young men and women, defending our lives - and sacrificing theirs - on the front lines of the 'war on terror". There can be no "equivalence". "They" kill innocents because "they" are evil. "We" kill innocents by mistake. But we know we are going to kill innocents - we willingly accept that we are going to kill innocents, that our actions are going to create mass graves of families, of the poor and the weak and the dispossessed.
This is why we created the obscene definition of "collateral damage". For if "collateral" means that these victims are innocent, then "collateral" also means that we are innocent of killing them. It was not our wish to kill them - even if we knew it was inevitable that we would. "Collateral" is our exoneration. This one word is the difference between "them" and "us", between our God-given right to kill and Bin Laden's God-given right to murder. The victims, hidden away as "collateral" corpses, don't count any more because they were slaughtered by us. Maybe it wasn't so painful. Maybe death by drone is a more gentle departure from this earth, evisceration by an AGM-114C Boeing-Lockheed air-to-ground missile less painful, than death by shards from a roadside bomb or a cruel suicider with an explosive belt.''
Accordding to Mzs link they were responsible for 76 percent of their own killings
Do you see we and australia went in?....they are a bunch of fruiltloop terrorists over there that just kill kill kill...who ever whatever
Geez if we killed enough on accident to make such a fuss...you would thing them killing three times as many of thier own on purpose would be considered pretty serious
hey, hold on!! I was mistaken, the civilian casualty is not 20 to 1 but 50 to 1! here's the complete story!! go figure!
The U.S. has increasingly used unmanned drones in the war in Afghanistan and in Pakistan. These attacks have killed an estimated 50 civilians for every targeted al-Qaeda or Taliban leader.
The United States has increasingly used unmanned drones in the war in Afghanistan and in Pakistan. These drone attacks have killed an estimated 50 civilians for every targeted al-Qaeda or Taliban leader. These attacks have increased anti-American sentiment, particularly in Pakistan, where 64 percent of the country views the United States -- not al-Qaeda or the Taliban -- as the enemy.
On October 6, 2010, Code Pink, Foreign Policy In Focus, and Pax Christi held a mock drone attack in Dupont Circle in Washington, DC.
http://www.fpif.org/media/mock_drone_attack
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