What Is Sharia??

[KimmyCharmeleon]

Bullshit. A tree still makes noise when it falls and nobody sees it. Open your eyes and look for them if you want to view that shit so bad. I have nothing to prove to you. You're the one obsessed with them being able to practice their barbaric thousand(s) year old cultural right, not me. It won't solve my problem as far as Sharia is concerned because I really don't give a shit.

You asked me to look for something, I will. Don't call me a liar. Insulting me isn't arguing properly.

If you really don't care about Sharia like you just said, then why did you post that link and make such a big deal of it? You even said you have nothing to prove to me? Obviously if you posted the link you wanted to prove something didn't you? You keep contradicting yourself.

 

[skyblue]

thing is kimmy,yes there are prejudices in the west but measures are in place to lessen them...its gradually working.mixed race marraiges are now commonplace,you can worship as you please without persecution,women are equal to men,the list is endless.......theres not a muslim country on the planet where such freedom exists.quite the opposite in fact

 

[Alien Allen]

This is an interesting read

http://www.americanthinker.com/2005/08/top_ten_reasons_why_sharia_is.html

 

[KimmyCharmeleon]

Lol, so like, what are you both trying to prove?

 

[skyblue]

This is an interesting read

http://www.americanthinker.com/2005/08/top_ten_reasons_why_sharia_is.html

an interesting read indeed.....this part is a real eye-opener


'Ultimately, censorship testifies to a lack of confidence in one's position and message. If the message of Islam were truly superior, one could trust in the power of truth. As it stands, sharia with its prescribed punishments for questioning Muhammad, the Quran, and sharia itself testifies to their weakness since sharia threatens those who dare to differ.'

 

[mazHur]

firstly you confuse a demand to practice thir own culture and religion with a "perceived" demand to install Sharia law, no western county denies muslims the right to practice their religion or culture, they do however not take kindly to a suggestion that a set of laws be imposed on them

That would be foolish of any Muslim to demand enforcing of Sharia in a non-Muslim country.
I am against it. Also I have never heard about such demand by Muslims...what I know is that
Muslims only want to practice their own religion in places where they are minorities. At the same time
I also know that super powers do not like the idea of Muslims enforcing Sharia in their
own countries....due to misconceptions about Sharia or because it conflicts with their
ideology. Who is right and who is wrong is determined on the basis of power! Economic
and military power and perhaps this is the reason super eyes are shut towards Sharia laws are
in Saudia but wide open when it comes to a poor country like Afghanistan.


secondly - you are ight on the palestinain issue, does Saudi Arabia impose different extremes of Sharia on non saudis, i dont know - he simply prefers the freedoms for his family in Canada

Saudis have the same law and justice system for all, even Americans are not Exempt.
Wow! Canada is a different story! That's a free country by virtue of its Constitution and Muslim youngsters (perhaps including your Palestinian friend) go there to make money and/or make love too!!

on the issue of immigration, in the main i refer to migration to the west, i cannot speak to why the rise of islam has spread in the parts of the world you mention

Exactly this is the question which boggles me as well! There must be some charisma in Islam that
sooooo many people have gotten influenced by it despite so-called ''draconianism' attributed to it by the West!

thirdly - where did I say he found evil in islam? He has never referred to Islam as evil, he loves his faith is very devout. I get the impression, as i mentioned above he simply prefers not love under the saudi regime, he was lucky, was able to leave and now lives peacefully

Am sorry if I got mixed up on relating the word Evil....but even if
teachings of Islam are EVIL, as you hear some people say, please point me out the evils
for my ''enlightenment'' and that of others.

 

[skyblue]

no religion is evil,but some of the followers are......and that includes all faiths

 

[Alien Allen]

Lol, so like, what are you both trying to prove?

Well if that article does not speak the obvious then I suspect you are full of shit when you say you listen to both points of view. Sure it is biased. Kind of hard to refute what is in it though.

Sharia is an ancient an barbaric way to live. I don't give a damn about culture. We also used to accept slavery as the norm. And we people used to live in caves

 

[mazHur]

no religion is evil,but some of the followers are......and that includes all faiths

Splendid! I totally agree with you

 

[mazHur]

Well if that article does not speak the obvious then I suspect you are full of shit when you say you listen to both points of view. Sure it is biased. Kind of hard to refute what is in it though.

Sharia is an ancient an barbaric way to live. I don't give a damn about culture. We also used to accept slavery as the norm. And we people used to live in caves

People still live in caves; they are still in chains somewhere but you don't know; there
are private jails but you don't know; there are concentration camps but many don't know!
This earth is no paradise....you only haven't roamed about enough to realize.

May I ask if Sharia was barbaric then why Muslims so vehemently demand it??

 

[Alien Allen]

People still live in caves; they are still in chains somewhere but you don't know; there
are private jails but you don't know; there are concentration camps but many don't know!
This earth is no paradise....you only haven't roamed about enough to realize.

May I ask if Sharia was barbaric then why Muslims so vehemently demand it??

Those in charge demand it. There is no chance for the rest to force change the same as when a dictator is in charge.

 

[mazHur]

Those in charge demand it. There is no chance for the rest to force change the same as when a dictator is in charge.

That could be a case in point insofar as Saudia and UAE are concerned. But how
could you apply to Muslims elsewhere, such as Afghanistan, Pakistan, Bangla Desh, Indonesia,
Africa, Turkey, Iran, Iraq, India, etc etc ......which are not ruled by dictators.

 

[Alien Allen]

You missed the point

I said the same as when a dictator is in charge

Iran has basically a multiple headed monster of a dictatorship. That country would westernize in a heart beat if those in charge ever let go of their grip on that society

One day it will happen. You can not live like barbarians in this day and age of the internet and get away with it like before. The only way is to cut off outside news. We saw how that worked last year there when there was that uprising.

 

[Zorak]

That could be a case in point insofar as Saudia and UAE are concerned. But how
could you apply to Muslims elsewhere, such as Afghanistan, Pakistan, Bangla Desh, Indonesia,
Africa, Turkey, Iran, Iraq, India, etc etc ......which are not ruled by dictators.

Iraq and Afghanistan have dempcracy as a result of recent invasions. So they're bad examples.

What about the muslims in Turkey who love their secular society, what about all the muslims all over the world, east and west - who are chuffed to bits that they don't have to live by Sharia law.

I know them, I've met them.

 

[skyblue]

Iraq and Afghanistan have dempcracy as a result of recent invasions. So they're bad examples.

What about the muslims in Turkey who love their secular society, what about all the muslims all over the world, east and west - who are chuffed to bits that they don't have to live by Sharia law.

I know them, I've met them.

dont forget the indian muslims who are 'forced' to live under indian law

 

[mazHur]

What about the muslims in Turkey who love their secular society, what about all the muslims all over the world, east and west - who are chuffed to bits that they don't have to live by Sharia law.

I know them, I've met them.

Turkey is a semi-Asian country...infact a European country. There are other secular countries
held by Muslims such as Bangla Desh, etc...but still there is strong element of Sharia desire
in people. In Turkey this element may be less but still quite strong. Turks are liberal maybe because
they inter-married with blondes from the West and got lax on religious issues, thanks to Kamal Ataturk,
who aloofed himself from the Arab world and returned the non-Turkish territories. Cyprus wouldn't have
been divided into Muslim and Christian block had there been weaker religious sentiment in Turkey!

Yes, a handful of westernized Muslim minds do vie for freedom of the West because they know
Sharia will set them right!

The Golden Age of Muslim Progress in all fields was mainly
due to Sharia until their fall and decline until 12th Century.
You can find relics of their 'barbarism' still in Spain and
everywhere they once ruled and cannot deny their scientific achievements
at one time. Maybe this is not there time now because all the 52 or so Muslim states
of the world are always at loggerheads-poor nations with the begging bowl, the richer
fools!

Iraq and Afghanistan have democracy as a result of recent invasions. So they're bad examples.

I disagree. there is NO democracy in Afghanistan or Iraq...only the occupying forces
have planted a ''puppet government''. Right now the news channel is showing another
28 oil tankers set on fire by unknown people in Pakistan.... these tankers were carrying fuel for the
NATO forces in Afghanistan. Just a couple of days ago about 50 oil tankers were exploded
there and this tactic of the extremist to cut down supply line to Nato forces in Afghanistan
is moving on fast. As 75% of all supplies to the landlocked Afghanistan has to pass through
Pakistan there is high risk of rations and oil supplies being cut to Nato forces.
Pakistan too has a sham democracy, planted by Uncle Sam. People there want Sharia...and the
war there and Afghanistan is all about that. What's there that makes people there to vie for
Sharia IF it were that bad???

 

[mazHur]

dont forget the indian muslims who are 'forced' to live under indian law

Indian Muslim live there by their own Muslim Family Law the way Hindus live in pakistan
according to their Hindu Family Law. Only CPC and CrPc are the same!!

Have ever been to India?? No? A nice place to catch AIDS

 

[Zorak]

The only people who seem to vie for Sharia are the uneducated, it seems?

You're points don't stand up. You use Turkey as an example, and then when called up on it, you disgard it. And in the process insult the greatest Turk of all time. The man who set them free from oppressive religion. And probably the greatest modern military general to boot.

 

[mazHur]

You missed the point

I said the same as when a dictator is in charge

it could also be said conversely.

Iran has basically a multiple headed monster of a dictatorship. That country would westernize in a heart beat if those in charge ever let go of their grip on that society

Again the same could be said conversely about some states, especially Israel.

One day it will happen. You can not live like barbarians in this day and age of the internet and get away with it like before. The only way is to cut off outside news. We saw how that worked last year there when there was that uprising.

No doubt the West has made remarkable progress in the field of science and technology
but this doesn't mean that other religions are bad! they are bad because of their lethargy,
indiscipline, lack of education, luxury, disunity and vanity. Were it not so they couldn't have
contributed to modern science when whole of Europe was plunged in Darkness!
And then why compare only Muslims with so called barbarianism?? What about the Hindus,
and other non-Muslims??

Modern world is a global village and nothing remains hidden from anyone's eyes---media is very strong
and effective.

I don't expect happening in the near future or afar! The world is going for worse; Greed and
political interests are over-whelming....tolerance and humanity seems to be dying out
with remarkable progress of science!!

 

[skyblue]

You missed the point


it could also be said conversely.


Again the same could be said conversely about some states, especially Israel.



No doubt the West has made remarkable progress in the field of science and technology
but this doesn't mean that other religions are bad! they are bad because of their lethargy,
indiscipline, lack of education, luxury, disunity and vanity. Were it not so they couldn't have
contributed to modern science when whole of Europe was plunged in Darkness!
And then why compare only Muslims with so called barbarianism?? What about the Hindus,
and other non-Muslims??

Modern world is a global village and nothing remains hidden from anyone's eyes---media is very strong
and effective.

I don't expect happening in the near future or afar! The world is going for worse; Greed and
political interests are over-whelming....tolerance and humanity seems to be dying out
with remarkable progress of science!!

not so.....if you came to britain you would be able to worship as you pleased without persecution