Were 9/11 detainee's children tortured by insects?

[kelvin070]

Source: guardian.co.uk

Waterboarding is torture, says US attorney general nominee
Barack Obama's incoming administration made a definitive break with the Bush administration today when the Eric Holder, who is set to become the next attorney general, defined waterboarding as torture.
Holder, facing a confirmation hearing in the Senate, said he and Obama had been disturbed by the practices at the US detention centre at Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, where prisoners picked up from the Middle East, Asia and Africa have been held without trial.
The vice-president, Dick Cheney, in a series of interviews over the last week, has defended Guantánamo and continues to claim that waterboarding, in which drowning is simulated, does not constitute torture.
The CIA subjected at least three inmates at Guantánamo to waterboarding.
Holder was unequivocal today: "Waterboarding is torture." He added: "The decisions that were made by a prior administration were difficult ones. It is an easy thing for somebody to look back in hindsight and be critical of the decisions that were made.
"Having said that, the president-elect and I are both disturbed by what we have seen and what we have heard."

 

[Minor Axis]

Cheney still thinks if he says it, enough will believe him. Those days are long past.

 

[kelvin070]

Source: Salon.com
The former vice-president is now a more reliable laugh-getter than vote-getter. At the correspondents' dinner, President Obama quipped, "Dick Cheney was supposed to be here, but he's very busy working on his memoirs, tentatively titled 'How to Shoot Friends and Interrogate People.'" Guest comedian Wanda Sykes went further, saying she found Cheney positively terrifying. "He scares me to death. I tell my kids, I say, 'Look, if two cars pull up and one has a stranger and the other car has Dick Cheney, you get in the car with the stranger.'"

 

[Accountable]

Why does it look clear to you? There is ample suspicion that Bush was planning to invade Iraq on day 1 of his presidency. (no I'm not going to dig it up for you- google it).

How does your post conflict with mine? As I recall, we were already friendly enough with Afghanistan before 9/11. The attack played into Bush's overall plan ... a plan that failed, but a plan nonetheless.

 

[kelvin070]

Sourse: rawstory.com

Ventura: If waterboarding is fine, why don't cops do it?
Former Minnesota Governor Jesse Ventura, making a guest appearance on ABC’s The View, gave co-host Elisabeth Hasselbeck a lesson or two about the torture technique known as waterboarding.
Ventura, who underwent a barrage of torture techniques at the military Survival, Evade, Resist and Escape (SERE) school, confirmed for Hasselbeck that waterboarding is torture and not just an “enhanced interrogation technique.”
“If waterboarding is okay, why don’t we let our police do it to suspects to learn what they know?” he asked to a chorus of applause.
“That’s an interesting question,” Hasselbeck said. “I understand that question.”
“If waterboarding is okay, why didn’t we waterboard [Timothy] McVeigh and [Terry] Nichols, the Oklahoma City bombers, to find out if there were more people involved? What’s your answer to that?” he asked. “We only seem to waterboard Muslims.”
“That’s an extremist statement,” said Hasselbeck.”
“Aha!” cheered Ventura. “Have we waterboarded anybody else? Name me someone else we’ve waterboarded.”
She could not, instead shifting focus to Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) who has been criticized by Republicans for a seeming contradiction in disclosing what she knew about then-President Bush’s torture program, and when.
“They want her out because she lied?” asked Ventura. “Why didn’t they ask for Bush and Cheney to go out when they lied about why we went into Iraq.”

 

[kelvin070]

Deleted the duplicate

 

[MoonOwl]

At least some people aren't afraid to speak truth.

I gave up on The View because I am tired of listening to EH shill for the NeoCons. But I saw this clip on another website and was glad to see Jesse hand her her hat once again.

Pay no attention to the sense that he makes.... Nothin to see here, move on...

As an aside, I saw a blurb about Newt saying Nancy needs to step down if she lied. :24: Accountability? Start w/the previous administration and I might buy it.


hehehehehehehehehehe........ it's been a few days......

:horse:horse:horse

 

[Alien Allen]

Pelosi is a kook and an incompetent one at that

She is the worst speaker of the house we have had in my lifetime.

Her money got here fame and into the limelight

Not brains

 

[MoonOwl]

Family money. I tend to agree. But I'm still:24: at the thought of a politician being held accountable for their actions.

You know the one good thing in all of this? It is blatantly obvious that both sides of the aisle have completely sold out except for a very few.

What we do about it in this age of real vote fraud remains to be seen.

Accountability = Politicians :24::24::24::24:

:horse

 

[Minor Axis]

Sourse: rawstory.com

Ventura: If waterboarding is fine, why don't cops do it?

If the CIA used the gentler friendly "we are not gonna really hurt you" water board method, why did they feel compelled to destroy all of their video evidence? If released it would have shown all the over reactors how it was not really torture.

 

[Minor Axis]

Pelosi is a kook and an incompetent one at that

She is the worst speaker of the house we have had in my lifetime.

Her money got here fame and into the limelight

Not brains

For some reason, I can't imagine you liking any Democrat in a position of power unless John McCain decided to switch parties...

Jessie Ventura on Pelosi-

“They want her out because she lied?” asked Ventura. “Why didn’t they ask for Bush and Cheney to go out when they lied about why we went into Iraq?”

Why not? Because they are two faced hypocrites. Kevin's link has an outstanding video from The View. Hasselbeck is a first class conservative idiot. On the suedo-conservative side, this is all about political cover, trying to justify why your party supported this BS, why they were so willing to abandon core American principles, why they continue to try to minimize torture, oh excuse me, "enhanced interrogation" as something kind and gentle. It really is disgusting.

 

[Alien Allen]

For some reason, I can't imagine you liking any Democrat in a position of power unless John McCain decided to switch parties...

Jessie Ventura on Pelosi-
Why because they are two faced hypocrites.

why should I like most democrats. They are statists. IMO

I am not all that fond of most republicans as they are no longer a conservative party.

If you think Pelosi is competent then you are not able to set aside your liberal bias. She is like a deer in headlights.

And McCain is another idiot. One of the majority in DC. They all suck

 

[robdawg1]

To take this back to the original post, if this actually happened (which i have no trouble now believing that it could have) Then it is disgusting and the perpatrators of the torture and their commanding officers should be arrested and sent to the UN for prosecution as WAR CRIMINALS!!!

I don't care what anyone on here thinks about waterboarding or dems or repubs...If you can find even a small way to justify the torturing of CHILDREN for information, than you need to take a good look at what makes you human and fix it!!!

I am thoroughly disgusted!!!

 

[kelvin070]

 

[robdawg1]

:homo:

LOL thats great

 

[kelvin070]

Source: thinkprogress.org

McCain on Cheney’s torture speech: ‘I just don’t see where it helps.’

Vice President Cheney’s speech on national security yesterday has been received positively by several Republican senators. In an interview with the Atlantic’s Jeffrey Goldberg yesterday, however, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) said that Cheney’s full-throated defense of torture isn’t helpful:

He told me of his fundamental disagreement with Cheney: “When you have a majority of Americans, seventy-something percent, saying we shouldn’t torture, then I’m not sure it helps for the Vice President to go out and continue to espouse that position,” he said. “But look, he’s free to talk. He’s a former Vice President of the United States. I just don’t see where it helps.”
And then he got acerbic: Cheney, he says, “believes that waterboarding doesn’t fall under the Geneva Conventions and that it’s not a form of torture. But you know, it goes back to the Spanish Inquisition.”
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Yesterday on Fox News, McCain reiterated that waterboarding is “not a new technique, and it is certainly torture.” “You hear it from al Qaeda operatives that when we torture people and it becomes public, then it helps them recruit,” he said. Watch it:

 

[kelvin070]

Olbermann Rescinds Charity Offer For Cowardly Hannity, Donates $10K For Mancow’s Waterboarding

Last month on his Fox News show, torture enthusiast Sean Hannity claimed he would agree to be waterboarded “for charity…for the troops’s families.” MSNBC’s Keith Olbermann immediately took up Hannity’s pledge, offering $1,000 to charity for every second Hannity withstood waterboarding.
Over the next 30 days, Hannity went completely silent on his pledge, opting not to go anywhere near the subject of waterboarding again. Olbermann repeatedly reminded Hannity of his pledge to donate to charity in his name, but to no avail.

YouTube - Olbermann Donates To Charity After Mancow Is Waterboarded

 

[kelvin070]

Source: crookssandliars.com
Liz Cheney Accidentally (?) Lets The Truth Fly: Dad Is Afraid Of Prosecution
YouTube - Liz Cheney acknowledges that her dad is speaking out for fear of prosecution

Oopsie, I guess we really can't count this as a mark for "out of the mouth of babes", but Liz Cheney, perhaps inadvertently, admitted that part of the reason we've seen Dick Cheney more in the last two months than we did in the eight years of the Bush administration is that he is very nervous that there will be investigations and prosecutions in his future:

(M)any in the media have asked why Cheney — someone who had avoided the media at all costs during his eight years as vice president — would be airing his opinions in such a forceful and public way. Indeed, Cheney himself has answered this question, claiming he is speaking out because he believes that torture and other Bush administration anti-terror policies — many of which Obama is abandoning — were “exactly the right thing to do” and that “there isn’t anybody there on the other side to tell the truth.”
In turn, media figures have answered the question in much the same way. “I think he genuinely believes we are threatened now more because of what Obama is doing,” MSNBC’s Pat Buchanan has said. CNN’s David Gergen said, “I think Dick Cheney almost has a Churchillian view of this, and that is somebody has got to stand up and be the voice in the wilderness.” But while the narrative of Cheney’s motives focuses mainly on the righteous, it has all but ignored the selfish — that Cheney is trying to muddle the public debate with the goal of reducing public support for a criminal inquiry into the torture regime that he authorized.
Last night on CNN, however, Cheney’s daughter Liz revealed that fear of prosecution is indeed a motivating factor in the former vice president’s current media campaign:

L. CHENEY: I don’t think he planned to be doing this, you know, when they left office in January. But I think, as it became clear that President Obama was not only going to be stopping some of these policies, that he was going to be doing things like releasing the — the techniques themselves, so that the terrorists could now train to them, that he was suggesting that perhaps we would even be prosecuting former members of the Bush administration.
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Sad that this "Get Daddy Out Of Jail Free" ploy seems to have all the news outlets lapping it up with nary a word on what the motives might be for a former Vice President to break with protocol and criticize a sitting President (and by doing so, implicitly admitting that Cheney--not Bush--was in charge). Can you imagine how the right wing noise machine would have gone into overdrive if Clinton had started criticizing Bush for not taking the al Qaeda threat seriously at the beginning of his presidency? By all reports, that's what happened. Richard Clarke was demoted, his reports ignored, and then 9/11 happened on their watch. And now terrorism has increased worldwide four-fold. However, even with this miserable track record (kept from the public by these media outlets eager for a Cheney appearance), Cheney thinks his opinion has any value to the discussion?
Heather has put up the larger Anderson Cooper interview at VideoCafe.
Steve Benen wonders if there isn't a more pecuniary motive to Cheney's sudden appearances (twelve in nine and a half days over four networks). Of course, Liz Cheney may also be trying to establish herself as a credible candidate in 2012 too:

The hottest Republican property out there isn't former Vice President Dick Cheney but his daughter Liz, who has taken to the airwaves to defend her dad and the whole Bush administration on national security and Guantánamo Bay issues. Liz Cheney, who followed the former veep's hard-hitting speech criticizing President Obama's policies with a CNN appearance, is becoming so popular in conservative circles that some want her to run for office. "She's awesome. Everyone wants her to run," said a close friend.
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[Accountable]

:sarcasm Nope, no cherrypicking in that post, that's fer sure.

 

[Alien Allen]

Oh come on Kelvin. I assume you agree with that since you posted it. Since when is it wrong to defend your actions? Of course this is driven by Obama speaking out. If you did something and were criticized would you just shut up or would you speak out if you felt there was evidence being withheld that would support your actions?

I have no problem with criticizing Chaneys decisions and actions including waterboarding but that is a bull shit hatchet job article.