TSA = Total Sexual Assaut?

[Tangerine]

Terrorist attacks happen by other religious extremist groups more than Islam.

Evidence to support that claim?

 

[Tangerine]

Don't think I approve of the current measures by my response, the way we have been handling the threat of terrorism in this country disturbs me. It is one of the biggest money making scams in history. I do not agree with how they are going about the new security measures, I believe it's a way to get america to accept those back scatter radiation units that Chernoff is selling.

I believe you are 100% correct. In order to force the use of the x-ray machines, someone decided that they must make the alternative extremely unpleasant, so people will accept the lesser of the two evils. This has nothing to do with safety, and everything to do with Government contracts.

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ere's the problem, it's not a violation of your 4th amendment rights. The reason being, you are not forced to get the screening. You can say no and not fly, it's your choice. Being able to fly is not a right so when you choose to fly, you are accepting the security measures that go along with it. How would this be any different that going to see the president? If you are going to have a one on one meeting with the president, you fully expect to be searched.

So even though I don't think what the TSA is doing is right, I don't think it's a violation of our constitutional rights. We have given away too many of our freedoms in the name of the war on terror. I really wish that more people would understand what Franklin was talking about when it came to security.

You are probably right about 4th Amendment, though I do believe it will slag through the courts and eventually the SCOTUS will have to rule on it.

The part you MAY be missing is that apparently you CANNOT simply walk away and refuse to be scanned or frisked. If you opt-out of scanning, and then refuse the pat down, TSA has been sending men in suits to inform you that may not leave the airport premisis, and doing so will result in a civil lawsuit of $10,000 or more, and they reserve the right to detain you in the airport. So technically there is no "opt-out" once you've purchased a ticket and entered the airport. If you are well enough informed about these policies and procedures to choose not to bother attempting to fly in the first place, then you are fine. But I am most concerned of all about the idea that once there, you are only left with three unpleasant options. THAT might be a bit sticky Constitutionally.

 

[Zorak]

Evidence to support that claim?

..... Should I support my claim that the sky is blue, too?

 

[retro]

Terrorist attacks happen by other religious extremist groups more than Islam.

:24:

Some of the shit that you say is absolutely priceless Kimmy. Now, do me a favor and go read this lists of terrorist attacks and then come back up your statement.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents

 

[retro]

..... Should I support my claim that the sky is blue, too?

Apples and Oranges? Your claim isn't a ludicrous and patently false one.

 

[Tangerine]

..... Should I support my claim that the sky is blue, too?

Would be a better analogy if you claimed the sky didn't exist.

 

[Zorak]

What about Spain, Northern Ireland, Turkey, Russia.... I thought this was common knowledge.

 

[Zorak]

Here's a list of terrorist organisations:
http://www.cdi.org/terrorism/terrorist-groups.cfm

Here are some Christian terrorist groups:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_terrorism

Here are some Jewish terrorist groups:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_religious_terrorism

That took 5 seconds on Google.

 

[Tangerine]

What about Spain, Northern Ireland, Turkey, Russia.... I thought this was common knowledge.

Probably outnumbered 10 to 1 in number of terrorist organizations and attacks by Muslim extremists. THIS is common knowledge.

 

[Zorak]

Probably outnumbered 10 to 1 in number of terrorist organizations and attacks by Muslim extremists. THIS is common knowledge.

Highlighted certain antitheticies.

 

[Tangerine]

Highlighted certain antitheticies.

Supported by the factual data Retro posted eariler.

 

[KimmyCharmeleon]

Sounds absurd but you can keep laughing. I'm not the one falling for the worldwide practical joke of exaggerated Islamic terrorism by some monopolist empire of a greedy country

A link I provided in another thread had some statistics in it. I can't provide the link because apparently some malware shit is wrong with it, I don't know...so I will quote it. Unless you want me to send it to you.

These statistics:
Terrorist Attacks on U.S. Soil by Group, From 1980 to 2005, According to FBI Database
Latino - 42%
Extreme left wing groups - 24%
Jewish extremists - 7%
Islamic extremists - 6%
Communists - 5%
Others - 16%

 

[Tangerine]

Sounds absurd but you can keep laughing. I'm not the one falling for the worldwide practical joke of exaggerated Islamic terrorism by some monopolist empire of a greedy country

A link I provided in another thread had some statistics in it. I can't provide the link because apparently some malware shit is wrong with it, I don't know...so I will quote it. Unless you want me to send it to you.

Anything before 9/11/01 has no bearing on this debate, as the entire topic is about how US airport security has changed since the 9/11 attacks. You will not fin any link of any sort that shows anything other than a preponderence of activity by Muslim extremists throughout the world since then. Unless you choose to take out your crayons and draw a pretty chart.

The only joke in this thread is your highly skewed sense of reality.

 

[Zorak]

Supported by the factual data Retro posted eariler.

No it isn't. I implore you to show me how it is.

 

[Tim]

Anything before 9/11/01 has no bearing on this debate, as the entire topic is about how US airport security has changed since the 9/11 attacks. You will not fin any link of any sort that shows anything other than a preponderence of activity by Muslim extremists throughout the world since then. Unless you choose to take out your crayons and draw a pretty chart.

The only joke in this thread is your highly skewed sense of reality.

But the security we are being subjected to is here in the US. So how many Muslim terrorists are here in our country? How many have we stopped at the airport screening machine...?

So how will profiling help anyone here in the states? :dunno

 

[Zorak]

Anything before 9/11/01 has no bearing on this debate, as the entire topic is about how US airport security has changed since the 9/11 attacks. You will not fin any link of any sort that shows anything other than a preponderence of activity by Muslim extremists throughout the world since then. Unless you choose to take out your crayons and draw a pretty chart.

The only joke in this thread is your highly skewed sense of reality.

There have been muslim terrorist aeroplane attacks before 9/11.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pan_Am_Flight_103
For one.

 

[KimmyCharmeleon]

Anything before 9/11/01 has no bearing on this debate, as the entire topic is about how US airport security has changed since the 9/11 attacks. You will not fin any link of any sort that shows anything other than a preponderence of activity by Muslim extremists throughout the world since then. Unless you choose to take out your crayons and draw a pretty chart.

The only joke in this thread is your highly skewed sense of reality.

It still includes 4 years after the attacks, don't be too dismissive. It is possible those statistics are still applicable to today.

You keep falling for it then. My reality ain't a joke.

 

[TheFireMan]

If it keeps me and my family safe I am ok with it.

 

[KimmyCharmeleon]

A small number of Muslim-Americans have undergone radicalization since the September 11, 2001, terrorist attacks on New York and Washington, the study found. It compiled a list of 139 individuals it categorized as "Muslim-American terrorism offenders" who had become radicalized in the U.S. in that time -- a rate of 17 per year.
That level is "small compared to other violent crime in America, but not insignificant," according to the study, titled "Anti-Terror Lessons of Muslim-Americans."
To be included on the list, an offender had to have been wanted, arrested, convicted or killed in connection with terrorism-related activities since 9/11 -- and have lived in the United States, regardless of immigration status, for more than a year prior to arrest.
Of the 139 offenders, fewer than a third successfully executed a violent plan, according to a Duke University statement on the study, and most of those were overseas.

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/US/01/06/muslim.radicalization.study/

 

[Staci]

I just get myself scanned. You have the option of getting scanned or getting felt up. Don't get me wrong, I love a good "feel up" but only after dinner and drinks. Three drinks for me and EVERYBODY looks great.

Children under 12 are exempt from the feelie thing. It's the price we now have to pay to fly. And frankly, I'm more royally pissed at all of the extra surchages I'm getting for extra bags (Mia stuff) and seating, along with the rest of the stuff.

So, feel me up, but let me get my shit on for free.

that is not correct. in fact a child, a 3 year old child, was handled roughly