TSA = Total Sexual Assaut?

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The problem with "profiling" is that you open doors that weren't open before. If the people who want to bring down a plane know that white girls in their twenties don't get screened, then that's who they'll get to carry a bomb. You are forgetting that you can be any color shape or size Muslim. It's not a nationality it's a religion. There are white American kids that have been radicalized, wouldn't they be the perfect mule for a bomb if you are only looking at middle eastern men?
Forget about the PC thing or what is correct. Look at it strictly from a security standpoint, you need to check EVERYONE randomly or you are advertising what type of people can just walk through...

I respectfully disagree. That WOULD be the case if airport screening was the ONLY type of security being used in the hunt for terrorist activity. But it's safe to say there is a much larger system involving dozens of agencies around the world. I feel pretty confident that they are far more fine-tuned into finding the threats than the need to just "search everyone." I have long believed that the vast majority of the security measures in airports are nothing more than an elaborate show - providing the sheeple in our country with a false sense of security and justification for the spending of billions of dollars. It's been quite successful as evidenced by the sheer number of people who parrot back the "anything is better than nothing" mantra. Sorry, but common sense still has to be a part of the equation.

And while I of course know that Muslim is a religion and not a nationality, the terrorists who have shown the desire and ability to attack us ARE of a very limited number of nationalities. That's just fact. Sure, the possibility exists that some random white American kid can be radicalized, but the likelihood is so statistically minute that it has to be a consideration. There are millions of other equally unlikely "it could happen" scenarios that we are doing absolutely nothing to address, and never could. I just will NEVER see any justification to search the genital areas of US Citizen children boarding domestic flights. If terrorists are THAT good that they can make a weapon of little Johnny Smith with no other part of our vast National Security system picking up on it, then maybe they deserve to sneak one through on us.
Until that happens, I can't support the "just frisk everyone" approach by calling it a great plan.
 
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She felt along my waistline, moved behind me, then proceeded to feel both of my buttocks. She reached from behind in the middle of my buttocks towards my vagina area.​

She did not tell me that she was going to touch my buttocks, or reach forward to my vagina area.​

She then moved in front of my and touched the top and underneath portions of both of my breasts.​

She did not tell me that she was going to touch my breasts.​

She then felt around my waist. She then moved to the bottoms of my legs.​

She then felt my inner thighs and my vagina area, touching both of my labia.​

She did not tell me that she was going to touch my vagina area or my labia.​

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Yanno, I've changed my mind...I don't think we need screenings at the airport. I say we put Air Marshalls on every single flight and the slightest move that could be an act of terrorism, we use deadly force. Problem solved!!!
 

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Until then, I will not fly commercially again until the TSA is forced to comply with the spirit of our Constitution.
Or disbanded altogether.

Just because you are an American does not mean that you love and honor you country...

Just cause there has been no threat from a American on a Domestic flight does not mean that it would not happen...
Just because it might happen is not reason enough to justify treating everyone as if they have, either.

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."
http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html#Am4

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Maybe your goverment is going overboard with your airport protocol but if it makes a good majority of the Americans feel safer about flying then I do not see the big deal in it..
That's the standard, making a good majority feel safer? I thought we'd done away with that kind of thinking back in the 1960's.
 

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I respectfully disagree. That WOULD be the case if airport screening was the ONLY type of security being used in the hunt for terrorist activity. But it's safe to say there is a much larger system involving dozens of agencies around the world. I feel pretty confident that they are far more fine-tuned into finding the threats than the need to just "search everyone." I have long believed that the vast majority of the security measures in airports are nothing more than an elaborate show - providing the sheeple in our country with a false sense of security and justification for the spending of billions of dollars. It's been quite successful as evidenced by the sheer number of people who parrot back the "anything is better than nothing" mantra. Sorry, but common sense still has to be a part of the equation.

And while I of course know that Muslim is a religion and not a nationality, the terrorists who have shown the desire and ability to attack us ARE of a very limited number of nationalities. That's just fact. Sure, the possibility exists that some random white American kid can be radicalized, but the likelihood is so statistically minute that it has to be a consideration. There are millions of other equally unlikely "it could happen" scenarios that we are doing absolutely nothing to address, and never could. I just will NEVER see any justification to search the genital areas of US Citizen children boarding domestic flights. If terrorists are THAT good that they can make a weapon of little Johnny Smith with no other part of our vast National Security system picking up on it, then maybe they deserve to sneak one through on us.
Until that happens, I can't support the "just frisk everyone" approach by calling it a great plan.

Don't think I approve of the current measures by my response, the way we have been handling the threat of terrorism in this country disturbs me. It is one of the biggest money making scams in history. I do not agree with how they are going about the new security measures, I believe it's a way to get america to accept those back scatter radiation units that Chernoff is selling.

Or disbanded altogether.

Just because it might happen is not reason enough to justify treating everyone as if they have, either.

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."
http://www.usconstitution.net/const.html#Am4

That's the standard, making a good majority feel safer? I thought we'd done away with that kind of thinking back in the 1960's.

Here's the problem, it's not a violation of your 4th amendment rights. The reason being, you are not forced to get the screening. You can say no and not fly, it's your choice. Being able to fly is not a right so when you choose to fly, you are accepting the security measures that go along with it. How would this be any different that going to see the president? If you are going to have a one on one meeting with the president, you fully expect to be searched.

So even though I don't think what the TSA is doing is right, I don't think it's a violation of our constitutional rights. We have given away too many of our freedoms in the name of the war on terror. I really wish that more people would understand what Franklin was talking about when it came to security.
 
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Oh really?????

"While Americans are forced to deal with the degrading searches, Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano is actually considering exempting Muslims as per CAIR’s demands. Madame Secretary confirmed this week that there will be “adjustments” and “more to come” on the issue of Muslim women in hijabs undergoing airport security pat-downs."


http://www.judicialwatch.org/blog/2010/nov/napolitano-may-exempt-muslims-airport-pat-downs

I'm not so sure about that link,,, I'd like to see a little more info on that. *off to scour the websicles*
 

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I found this...

In a hearing of the Senate Committee on Homeland Security yesterday, TSA head John Pistole made clear that controversial airport full-body screens and pat-downs could not be avoided with religious objections.
AP reports :
"That person is not going to get on an airplane," Pistole said in response to a question from Sen. John Ensign, R-Nev., on whether the TSA would provide exemptions for passengers whose religious beliefs do not allow them to go through a physically revealing body scan or be touched by screeners.
 

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I hope it's crap considering I just read yesterday about there being no religious exemptions.

If it's not crap and indeed true, it says so, so much on a few levels.

Perhaps we should all just fly naked? Think of the profits lost for our Security Industrial Complex.... Could get fun up in the air too... ;)


**just saw your post. I saw that too. That's why I posted this one.
 
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