The US is still pretty fundamental, compared to Europe
Science Saved My Soul.....................
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The US is still pretty fundamental, compared to Europe
but if we all have free will and the right to choose to be good or evil, why blame every woman for something some woman did years and years ago?? That doesn't seem very fair
I have no common perception of those who question God. There is a big difference between those who have questions, are seeking knowledge and understanding - and those who make absurd assumptions about that which they do not understand. This is the same for theists who think they understand how a non-believer feels or thinks - or why they believe the way they do. I'm not just referring to non-believers, some people who consider themself a believer can be pretty absurd as well. And not all non-believers act rediculously when approaching the topic of God. It can be misinterpreted as negative...I know that hate is a strong word, but there are many times when people on both sides of the fence feel that way. That they are looked down upon by the other side or that just because their views and beliefs are different, somehow they are inferior or believers in magic and fairytales.
Thanks for the hug, but... Don't you know...hugs have no place in the debate thread - compassion, gentleness and respect are left at the door! :sarcasm
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Who are you thinking of? Not that I've been to church in a decade but I thought A&E was still considered an inspirational foundation of belief.
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Oh yea? Choke on these. :smiley31::smiley31::smiley31:
In religion, I think hate mostly results when diametric views are looked upon with disdain or when people act in a prejudicial/violent manner based on their beliefs.
I love you, SexySadie, even when your facts may be inaccurate. 
That's ok. Don't use the brain you have, just let God or your religion tell you what to think and do. God does not like independent thinkers. Instead of evaluating for yourself, just be a good little rule follower because that is what impresses God the most. Oh yes, don't decide your morals, they impose those on you too.
I question everything.
What's with the personal stuff, cant think of anything, that's ok.
Questioning is good. I was trying to make a point that the basis of religion is not off limits and must be questioned as well as all the other details. God wants this, expects that, loves us, all of this comes from an organization who believes and whose agenda is to make as many people as possible believe it too. The odds are the only reason you know of it is because someone sold it to you. Even if you decide to go with a religion, being a skeptic is beneficial imo.
i agree. Being skeptical is good. My faith in God is something different then believing in a threory or believing someone is guilty after seeing all the evidence. Faith in God is almost part of us/me. I have often wondered if we arent born with it.
Babies don't know what god is until they are indoctrinated, and I certainly wasn't born with it, I have never believed a god existed 
I just mean it is that much a part of me. I did not intend to argue faith in God is genetic.
So the pain of child birth and monthly menstrual cycles wouldn't happen if it wasn't for the fact that eve sinned?
So I guess this "curse" was also passed onto all animals then... because all mammals have menstrual cycles and painful births...
I love you, SexySadie, even when your facts may be inaccurate.
I love you too Alexis.........even when your facts about my facts may be inaccurate...lol
Oh, that part, too. Are you saying that I make mistakes?? Shame on you!!! :24::24:
For me it never reaches the level of belief, but I suspect there is a spiritual world in close proximity to this one. However, I can't tell you anything about it. It's just a feeling that comes from the consideration of the meaning of my life in combination with brain endorphins.
I am the first to admit, if could all just be self delusion, but I feel good about it. What does that mean? I don't know, but I'm not going to jump to the conclusion, it's God, it loves me, and btw here are all the rules to get to the happy place. Although raised Christian, I never really felt it. I resist traditional theist teachings because of my conviction that ancient superstitious man is a very poor source for divine truth. I don't believe people in the time of Jesus or Mohammad had any better connection to God than we do today. I see no reason why God would be more connected to his children then, than he would now. Due to their lack of scientific knowledge, coupled with the fact that everything that happened in the world was a sign from God/the Gods, good or bad, those teachings are just not credible to me. At least now, we know a million times more about how the universe functions. Regardless if there are divine forces at the core of the universe or not, at least we don't assume God is mad at us every time there is a drought, earthquake, or plague. Today if God wanted to talk to us, we'd be much better equipped to handle it.
Jesus teachings as far as I remember are good ones, he lived a good life, and if you believe the history (that also questions if he even lived), died in a violent manner in defense of those beliefs. But this in itself means nothing as far as a connection to God. And when you consider the religions that came before Jesus where the same type of occurrences happened, virgin birth, resurrection, it really becomes suspect. Besides the myth, in reality he could have just been one of the many delusional, but talented humans out there who "believe" but in reality, all they have to go on is a feeling and a conviction. Once you set aside "holy books" as a source of truth, and rely on feelings, religion becomes much more nebulous (hazy, vague, indistinct, or confused). It is not at all certain. I do believe it is a mistake if you are living a good life, to assume that God gave this gift. And if you are living a shit life, the same holds true. You may have just been born in the wrong place at the wrong time. Don't blame God!
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I agree. Not to bash ancient man, it was a different culture back then, but we certainly shouldn't try to emulate them today.
I so agree, it's as if our brains are not wired to see the big picture at all, and really look around and say WHY do I believe this, opposed to anything else?
Old information can be good information, of course, but it's as if there's only a couple options regarding the meaning and creation of the universe. How could we know who or what is responsible for the universe when we don't even understand the universe??
Old information can be good information, of course, but it's as if there's only a couple options regarding the meaning and creation of the universe. How could we know who or what is responsible for the universe when we don't even understand the universe??