Science Saved My Soul.....................

[Diggin Deep]

When cutting and pasting it is best to cite your source....
http://gospelway.com/god/why_believe.php

I did in fact cut and past that. I do apologize for not pasting my source, but I was on my phone when I posted. Thank you for taking care of that for me :thumbup

However, the fact remains...if one is to claim that the Bible is false and full of contradictions and inaccuracies, then they must be able to provide evidence of their statement.

I have many other sources and things that I have written myself and contributed to Christian ministry websites if you'd like for me to post them too?

 

[CityGirl]

I did in fact cut and past that. I do apologize for not pasting my source, but I was on my phone when I posted. Thank you for taking care of that for me :thumbup

However, the fact remains...if one is to claim that the Bible is false and full of contradictions and inaccuracies, then they must be able to provide evidence of their statement.

I have many other sources and things that I have written myself and contributed to Christian ministry websites if you'd like for me to post them too?

Thanks but no thanks. I marinated in christianity for 40+ yrs. I've had enough.

 

[Diggin Deep]

Thanks but no thanks. I marinated in christianity for 40+ yrs. I've had enough.

I am sorry for my last comment...that came across kind of rude and sarcastic. It's been a long day. In all seriousness, thank you for reminding me about providing sources. I wouldn't bore you with anything I've written anyways...at least not on purpose. I'm sorry that Christianity rubbed you the wrong way.

 

[sexysadie]

The misogyny in the Bible is very real and very damaging because of one main aspect:
Eve was not a sinner who happened to be a woman, rather instead, Eve was a sinner because she was a woman.

Really? I don't remember reading anything of the sort. Eve was presented with choices and she chose to defy God.....nuff said. The difference between you and Eve is the fact that she SPOKE with God, she KNEW the consequences and she MADE her choice.

 

[sexysadie]

and people still followed him! Is the human race that desperate for a saviour?

....ore do we know something YOU don't know? Other side of the coin...js

 

[sexysadie]

I did in fact cut and past that. I do apologize for not pasting my source, but I was on my phone when I posted. Thank you for taking care of that for me :thumbup

However, the fact remains...if one is to claim that the Bible is false and full of contradictions and inaccuracies, then they must be able to provide evidence of their statement.

I have many other sources and things that I have written myself and contributed to Christian ministry websites if you'd like for me to post them too?

They're too busy consentrating on who can post the funniest comment to think about facts doll. I'd love to read what you've written, I'll look forward to it.

 

[Niamh]

....ore do we know something YOU don't know? Other side of the coin...js

I'm sure you believe you do

Look, I was born a catholic, went to mass and was taught all about it in school, it's not like I haven't been exposed to religion, I just decided that going on the information I was given that it was highly unlikely to be true. Maybe there is a God, who knows? but I certainly don't believe the whole Adam and Eve bollocks and what MAN wrote about it all in the bible.

 

[sexysadie]

I'm sure you believe you do

Look, I was born a catholic, went to mass and was taught all about it in school, it's not like I haven't been exposed to religion, I just decided that going on the information I was given that it was highly unlikely to be true. Maybe there is a God, who knows? but I certainly don't believe the whole Adam and Eve bollocks and what MAN wrote about it all in the bible.

Well I do. I went to church every week as well, went to sunday school the whole nine yards......but I don't anymore, haven't for many years, to me, that was NOT where I needed to be in order to be close to God. Long story.

 

[Niamh]

Well I do. I went to church every week as well, went to sunday school the whole nine yards......but I don't anymore, haven't for many years, to me, that was NOT where I needed to be in order to be close to God. Long story.

OK, that's fair enough. We can all only live our lives according to our own experiences and instincts. I don't want you to think that I'm only posting here to try and rile and mock you or any other religious people here. I post here about this because in my opinion (formed from my own experiences) the church has been rammed down peoples throats and has been very damaging to alot of people over here and I strongly believe that it's just a way of controlling the masses.

I'm not ruling out the possibility that there may be a God some where, I'm not afraid to admit that I don't have a clue, how could I? But logically speaking and going on evidence we have for evolution etc. I don't believe we're that important in the grand scheme of things.

 

[Peter Parka]

How can anyone honestly believe in the Adam and Eve story when it's a proven fact that there was civilisation on the earth long before they were supposed to be around?

 

[Niamh]

How can anyone honestly believe in the Adam and Eve story when it's a proven fact that there was civilisation on the earth long before they were supposed to be around?

I watched a programme on BBC (I think) a few months back, they were researching the Adam and Eve story and what they came up with seemed to make alot of sense. Apparently, kings back then used to have gardens for God in their palaces and only the King was allowed in there and had a direct link to speak to god. Apparently this one King was de throned over some dispute with another king and was exiled from his Palace and Gods garden and they think that this was where the story came from. Eve and the serpent weren't added to the story till much later apparently and also the story was never intended to be in the front of the bible either. Sorry I can't remember the name of the programme

 

[Panacea]

If you consider the age of these stories, the lack of any significant amount of physical evidence to refresh them and make them plausible, it seems quite reasonable that these stories have been altered, bits lost in translation and tailored.

Think of ancient art, for instance. Much of the ancient art we have now looks nothing like it was intended to look all those years ago. Pieces break off, colors fade, parts are lost, societies alter them.

It is one thing to have faith these stories reflect a real god, but it is another to believe they are accurate in any way. It takes a great deal of denial, or something, I can't find the exact right word.

 

[Diggin Deep]

If you consider the age of these stories, the lack of any significant amount of physical evidence to refresh them and make them plausible, it seems quite reasonable that these stories have been altered, bits lost in translation and tailored.

Think of ancient art, for instance. Much of the ancient art we have now looks nothing like it was intended to look all those years ago. Pieces break off, colors fade, parts are lost, societies alter them.

It is one thing to have faith these stories reflect a real god, but it is another to believe they are accurate in any way. It takes a great deal of denial, or something, I can't find the exact right word.

Very good point Pan. I would have to agree that things have been lost in translation and tailored. I would also say that some of the things we read about in the Bible can be misinterpreted and even taken too literally. However, I find it hard to say that the Bible that we are familiar with is inaccurate in regards to history, geography, science, and fulfilled prophecies.

 

[Panacea]

Very good point Pan. I would have to agree that things have been lost in translation and tailored. I would also say that some of the things we read about in the Bible can be misinterpreted and even taken too literally. However, I find it hard to say that the Bible that we are familiar with is inaccurate in regards to history, geography, science, and fulfilled prophecies.

I definitely think religious texts are open for lots of different interpretations, just like any literary work...people squabble over the Wizard of Oz's meaning I wouldn't feel comfortable saying I knew the intention of the writer(s) of many works of literature, only a speculative one. I guess that is my stance in general, I try not to assume things.

Historical accounts in general just logically seem so shaky, I'd have a hard time really adhering to any of them. It's interesting though, I've always sort of romanticized the events which are probably lost in time.

In terms of the bible being accurate and predictive, I would disagree but I'm admittedly not equipped to offer legitimate support for that position right now hehe. (Plus there's no need/purpose).

 

[Diggin Deep]

I definitely think religious texts are open for lots of different interpretations, just like any literary work...people squabble over the Wizard of Oz's meaning I wouldn't feel comfortable saying I knew the intention of the writer(s) of many works of literature, only a speculative one. I guess that is my stance in general, I try not to assume things.

Historical accounts in general just logically seem so shaky, I'd have a hard time really adhering to any of them. It's interesting though, I've always sort of romanticized the events which are probably lost in time.

In terms of the bible being accurate and predictive, I would disagree but I'm admittedly not equipped to offer legitimate support for that position right now hehe. (Plus there's no need/purpose).

:thumbup completely agree with everything you said. And like I've said in regards to my faith...the Bible, the interpretations of it's writings, etc. are not central to my belief or why I have faith.

 

[BornReady]

I find it hard to say that the Bible that we are familiar with is inaccurate in regards to history, geography, science, and fulfilled prophecies.

The bible is not a history, geography or science book. Anyone looking to it for these things is going to be very disappointed.

What fulfilled prophecies?

 

[sexysadie]

OK, that's fair enough. We can all only live our lives according to our own experiences and instincts. I don't want you to think that I'm only posting here to try and rile and mock you or any other religious people here. I post here about this because in my opinion (formed from my own experiences) the church has been rammed down peoples throats and has been very damaging to alot of people over here and I strongly believe that it's just a way of controlling the masses.

I'm not ruling out the possibility that there may be a God some where, I'm not afraid to admit that I don't have a clue, how could I? But logically speaking and going on evidence we have for evolution etc. I don't believe we're that important in the grand scheme of things.

Your opinion is that my logic is full of holes, well in all fairness, so is yours...because after all these years with some of the most sought after brains at work, it still hasn't been proven that God doesn't exist, that alone should tell you something. The way I look at it is simple...... just look at some of the things we've accomplished, beginning with the most obvious yet the most umcomplicated of all.....we're living, breathing walking talking thinking and loving proof that even the tiniest of miracles can sometimes be over-looked.

 

[Niamh]

Your opinion is that my logic is full of holes, well in all fairness, so is yours...because after all these years with some of the most sought after brains at work, it still hasn't been proven that God doesn't exist, that alone should tell you something. The way I look at it is simple...... just look at some of the things we've accomplished, beginning with the most obvious yet the most umcomplicated of all.....we're living, breathing walking talking thinking and loving proof that even the tiniest of miracles can sometimes be over-looked.

But you can't prove that something doesn't exist, that's pretty much impossible. Anyway, I never said that I'm 100% sure that a God doesn't exist, I said I didn't believe the stuff that's written in the bible and I don't believe he's up there sitting on a cloud watching over us.

 

[sexysadie]

But you can't prove that something doesn't exist, that's pretty much impossible. Anyway, I never said that I'm 100% sure that a God doesn't exist, I said I didn't believe the stuff that's written in the bible and I don't believe he's up there sitting on a cloud watching over us.

I too think that the cloud thing is a bit much....lol but I believe in the Bible, it's been like a friend to me over the years and as much as I'm aware that it was written by men, I also believe that these men were inspired by God. To me, it's like a history book, filled with interesting stories and events from way back when Jesus walked the earth. You've read history books haven't you? Do you believe in the people and events that took place in the history books you've read?

 

[sexysadie]

How can anyone honestly believe in the Adam and Eve story when it's a proven fact that there was civilisation on the earth long before they were supposed to be around?

In Genesis 1:28 we read "And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth". REPLENISH it!! Replenish means to fill up again....so what does that tell you?