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Joe the meek

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That's an honest answer as far as this forum is concerned.
Stone and Man are just trying to bully me with their stupid question, accusations and baseless self conceived aspersions provoking hate and a tit for tat.
Two bullies against one...not fair!

This is the internet, get use to it LOL

That said, I was sincerely hoping for a honest answer, one that I felt like I haven't gotten yet.
 
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I do believe in free will and fate as well...
But since God is said to be Ominpotent he must be having some prerogatives of his own to influence both free will and fate...

I try not to go there as it can get very confusing.

Ultimately our lives our like books when we die, but we have no clue how to read them in the present when we're alive. God probably does know how to read them in the present when we're still alive, but I can't help but wonder why he would want to influence the story line.

I've been blessed with a good life. There are some in this world that have had nothing but misery bestowed upon them of no doing of their own. I don't believe God would hold decents responsible for the action of their forefathers.

I find all the horrible crap going on in the world questioning my faith from time to time.
 

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I try not to go there as it can get very confusing.

Ultimately our lives our like books when we die, but we have no clue how to read them in the present when we're alive. God probably does know how to read them in the present when we're still alive, but I can't help but wonder why he would want to influence the story line.

I've been blessed with a good life. There are some in this world that have had nothing but misery bestowed upon them of no doing of their own. I don't believe God would hold decents responsible for the action of their forefathers.

I find all the horrible crap going on in the world questioning my faith from time to time.


I think God made this world full of variety and contradictions ...perhaps to create awe in his creation.

it often happens that humans suffer some calamity due to none of their fault....I don't know what to call it or who to blame?? People call it Act of God...and forgive and forget it..So is Life...a paradox..
not to be understood but rather to be enjoyed.

Allah is All Merciful and All Forgiving!
 

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And I believe the same in Jesus Christ and His Father.

That is why I try not to condemn people on His behalf:D


good sense....if this 'spirit' is allowed to prevail the world be full of 'terrorists' and there would be no Uncle Sam and his toddies butchering the people
 

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Prove it or just fuck off!!
A Muslim will get his neck slit off if he does that....
Isn't that YOUR culture??

Read European social and cultural history and you will come to know the genealogy of races...
Its already been proven in the last several weeks...you are angered as your culture has been brought to light.
 

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You do seem to be drunk and suffering a hangover...
wash your face with lime and get a tampon up yours to chill out/

Again you have taken to bullshit which doesn't have any relation to Islam or its tenets...

Nothing of the sort you accuse Muslims of happens in Pakistan..
Like several sects of Christianity Muslims too have sects but all of them fundamentally agree on the Quran .
Sect, as even a fool must know. arise from dissent on interpretation of scriptures..so is with Christianity so is with Islam./

British laws are in force in Pakistan ..both civil and criminal procedure code ...only you have to come to Pak and commit a crime and see how the British dingdong gets up yours.
I described it perfectly...your denial is just that.
Hell you provided half the sources for me in the last several weeks....dont know why you are upset.
 

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Ok so with that logic you can kill your mother..be forgiven. .then fuck your daughter..be forgiven..kidnap the neighbor...be forgiven. .fuck his dog..be forgiven. .high jack an airliner..be forgiven..steal some vodka. .be forgiven......shoot some dope.....you get the picture

That seems to describe what's going on in Pakistan.

Prove it or just fuck off!!
A Muslim will get his neck slit off if he does that....
Isn't that YOUR culture??

Read European social and cultural history and you will come to know the genealogy of races...



Prove it or just fuck off!!
Those crimes already been shown to be happening now and largely ignored by the Pakistani legal system, in threads in the debate and general OTZ forums.


Isn't that YOUR culture??
Christians are supposed to forgive, but that doesn't mean secular laws are rescinded like in Pakistan.
From all that's been uncovered from debating you, Pakistani are repetitious in their violent domestic crimes.


Read European social and cultural history and you will come to know the genealogy of races
Trying to make a racist argument, I see.
You haven't proven or shown your culture embraces greater morality.
To the contrary......discussions with you have shown Pakistani culture embraces few moral values.
You live in a shithole of human misery by your own making with terrorists gradually taking control of your major cities.
 

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That's an honest answer as far as this forum is concerned.
Stone and Man are just trying to bully me with their stupid question, accusations and baseless self conceived aspersions provoking hate and a tit for tat.
Two bullies against one...not fair!


You used my name in a post, inviting me to respond.
I had posted nothing in this thread until you replied to this question from Joe:

As I've said, it's a lot like the Bible.

I would still like to know, in your own words, who is the one to judge others in the name of Allah?
Stone, Man and who else??


You shouldn't play the innocent bitchy whiner, you invited my comments.
 

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To those that think my comments about Pakistan being a shithole, are baseless, In a debate thread there was a comparison of Pakistan to Ohio in regards to housing.
This is what I posted:

I just took a look at the 'Ohio' link since I live in Ohio......that's probably upscale housing to most Pakistanis.
Here's the screenshots:

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Let's look to see what Pakistan has to offer.

Karachi shitholes

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Karachi water supply
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another shot of Karachi slum residents searching for water in open sewers:
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And you ask me to explain why a residential owner in Ohio is lazy......mazHur.....how in the name of God/Allah did you allow the conditions in Pakistan get to the levels of human misery that I see in the above photos?

You do live in a shithole of human misery of your nation's own doing.

And I need no excuses for my nation, it is what it is.


I am very serious about the misery in Pakistan. It is a shithole of human misery by their own making.
mazHur has fronted one lie after another about Pakistan and their superior morality.
No moral society would ever allow those conditions to exist.
 

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muzHur

Honestly, that is the way I took your response, but I was hoping differently.

If this is the way you truly feel, you are no better than the ones you condemn.

I did not say that and you are being misled by Satan Stone's words.....
Am surprised how could a gentleman like you be carried away with dirty politics of my opponent who is bent upon misconstruing my words and futily adding words from his own side to mislead others??
 
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