Protest Against Taxes!!!!!

[Carthage]

Ohhhh. So I wasn't going crazy. It WAS Carthage who said that then.




Ahhh, but you still haven't answered the million dollar question Carthage...."how is that force going to be funded?"
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Donations to the government. Quoting myself,

If they're smart, they'll donate to the Government so that the Government has enough military power to protect them from rule by a mob.

Look at Ted Turner, who donated 1 Billion dollars to the UN.

 

[COOL_BREEZE2]

Donations to the government. Quoting myself,

If they're smart, they'll donate to the Government so that the Government has enough military power to protect them from rule by a mob.

That's highly unrealistic and wishful thinking Carthage.

And even if Ted Turner had donated money it doesn't mean that the majority of corporations or millionaires would. And those minority that do give their millions/billions most likely will expect kickbacks and want to control government.

 

[Meirionnydd]

Donations to the government. Quoting myself,

So basically public services will be held to ransom by corporations then? That sounds like a good idea.

If they're smart, they'll donate to the Government so that the Government has enough military power to protect them from rule by a mob.

Look at Ted Turner, who donated 1 Billion dollars to the UN.

Why did you quote your own quote?

 

[Carthage]

That's highly unrealistic and wishful thinking Carthage.

And even if Ted Turner had donated money it doesn't mean that the majority of corporations or millionaires would. And those minority that do give their millions/billions most likely will expect kickbacks and want to control government.

It doesn't take that much to run a laissez-faire government. And as long as we make sure they know that it won't give them any pull, it will just protect them from the mob, I'm sure they'll see reason. If not - well, they deserve their own destruction.

 

[Carthage]

So basically public services will be held to ransom by corporations then? That sounds like a good idea.

No, we just make sure that they know they don't get any extra swing or pull. We tell them that, and then ask for a donation. And, as I said before, in a laissez-faire government, the politicians will have integrity. Why be a politician when you can make so much more money in the corporate world unless you were really interested in doing what's right for the country?

Why did you quote your own quote?

Because (s)he said that I hadn't answered the million dollar question, when I had.

 

[Meirionnydd]

No, we just make sure that they know they don't get any extra swing or pull. We tell them that, and then ask for a donation. And, as I said before, in a laissez-faire government, the politicians will have integrity. Why be a politician when you can make so much more money in the corporate world unless you were really interested in doing what's right for the country?

So that means the Republican party won't exist anymore?

'Ask' for a donation?.. come on now, thats impracticable, like I said before you are pretty much giving corporations the ability to hold governments to ransom.

Government - 'Uhm... can I please have some money for the police force?
Corporation - 'Nah, we were able to get a security firm to keep our properties secure, and for alot cheaper too, only had to pay them $6.50 an hour '
Government - 'So who will protect government and public property then and enforce the laws?'
Corporation - 'Well, thats not my problem now is it?'

Because (s)he said that I hadn't answered the million dollar question, when I had.

Yeah, sorry about that. I realized that just after I posted, Its 5am over in Aus now, and I haven't gotten any sleep yet

 

[Carthage]

So that means the Republican party won't exist anymore?

'Ask' for a donation?.. come on now, thats impracticable, like I said before you are pretty much giving corporations the ability to hold governments to ransom.

Government - 'Uhm... can I please have some money for the police force?
Corporation - 'Nah, we were able to get a security firm to keep our properties secure, and for alot cheaper too, only had to pay them $6.50 an hour '
Government - 'So who will protect government and public property then and enforce the laws?'
Corporation - 'Well, thats not my problem now is it?'

The Republican Party will exist.

First- the gov't and public property argument is null. There will be no gov't/public property. It will all be business owned.
Second - the constitution should be amended to keep the use of force strictly within the limits of the government, and outside the use of private companies.
Third - it is indeed their problem, because once a government is dead, it is one of two things - rule by mob or rule by unfriendly government. Neither of which is very beneficial to the corporation.

 

[COOL_BREEZE2]

It doesn't take that much to run a laissez-faire government. And as long as we make sure they know that it won't give them any pull, it will just protect them from the mob, I'm sure they'll see reason. If not - well, they deserve their own destruction.

And those who don't donate. No protection from the mob? :unsure:

 

[COOL_BREEZE2]

No, we just make sure that they know they don't get any extra swing or pull. We tell them that, and then ask for a donation. And, as I said before, in a laissez-faire government, the politicians will have integrity. Why be a politician when you can make so much more money in the corporate world unless you were really interested in doing what's right for the country?

Yeaaah right.

Because (s)he said that I hadn't answered the million dollar question, when I had.

I'll have you know I've got balls. :ninja

 

[Carthage]

And those who don't donate. No protection from the mob? :unsure:

The donations that we do get will be significant enough to cover them as well. If it should happen, however, that we are strained for troops of officers, then we will protect those who donated more first, but that is highly unlikely. Like I said, it doesn't take much to fuel a laissez faire government.

 

[Carthage]

Yeaaah right.

Think about it; if you were in it just for money, why would you go into politics when you can earn 10x more in the corporate world? If you're just after power, there isn't much of a problem with that, as long as you keep within the constitution and the laws. But you could probably get more power more overtly in other jobs. Politics in a laissez faire government will be about doing what's right for the country.

I'll have you know I've got balls. :ninja

:clap

 

[Meirionnydd]

First- the gov't and public property argument is null. There will be no gov't/public property. It will all be business owned.

So the site of the white house will be owned by a corporation?

Third - it is indeed their problem, because once a government is dead, it is one of two things - rule by mob or rule by unfriendly government. Neither of which is very beneficial to the corporation.

Who cares what is good or bad to the corporation?. The public good is what should be first in any agenda.

 

[All Else Failed]

carthage you're greedy

 

[Carthage]

So the site of the white house will be owned by a corporation?

Don't see why not. It could also be a piece of private land owned by the president and passed down with the office.

Who cares what is good or bad to the corporation?. The public good is what should be first in any agenda.

Everyone should have their own happiness as their first goal. The corporations should care about what's good for them in the long run. That's morality. The Public Good is not the first thing that should be on anyone's agenda; it is only secondary. It is the ultimate good of the individual, and his ultimate freedom, that should be first on any agenda.
And besides, if we are going to put any group's good as first on an agenda, it should be the corporations. They are the ones who keep the world afloat, who create, who produce. Without them, society would die within months.

 

[Carthage]

carthage you're greedy

And proud of it. As long as I don't take from another what's rightfully his, I regard greed as a largely good thing. As long as it isn't a hedonistic kind of greed; we have to keep greed rational.

 

[COOL_BREEZE2]

The donations that we do get will be significant enough to cover them as well. If it should happen, however, that we are strained for troops of officers, then we will protect those who donated more first, but that is highly unlikely. Like I said, it doesn't take much to fuel a laissez faire government.

Makes sense. Sort of like preferential treatment to the donators right?

 

[Carthage]

Makes sense. Sort of like preferential treatment to the donators right?

Yeah. Of course, that's assuming we wouldn't have enough troops, which we would.

 

[COOL_BREEZE2]

Think about it; if you were in it just for money, why would you go into politics when you can earn 10x more in the corporate world? If you're just after power, there isn't much of a problem with that, as long as you keep within the constitution and the laws. But you could probably get more power more overtly in other jobs. Politics in a laissez faire government will be about doing what's right for the country.

You may be unaware of this but a lot of business people go into politics in order to further a cartel of sorts in cohoots with other business affiliations to send lucrative contracts their way and receive kickbacks.

Altho the basic salary might seem less, by the time you add up all the perks and allowances you realise how it adds up significantly. More power/influence = more money.

So yes, there is a reason why a good few businessmen leave their practice to go into politics. And it is not necessarily because they want to do what's right for the country.

 

[COOL_BREEZE2]

Yeah. Of course, that's assuming we wouldn't have enough troops, which we would.

Thank you.

My point in that was, preferential treatment to donaters = beholding to donaters/ benefactors/ financiers = corruption.

Thanks for agreeing.

 

[Carthage]

You may be unaware of this but a lot of business people go into politics in order to further a cartel of sorts in cohoots with other business affiliations to send lucrative contracts their way and receive kickbacks.

Altho the basic salary might seem less, by the time you add up all the perks and allowances you realise how it adds up significantly. More power/influence = more money.

So yes, there is a reason why a good few businessmen leave their practice to go into politics. And it is not necessarily because they want to do what's right for the country.

In laissez faire, why would a businessman want to get favors from a politician? They aren't being affected by the laws. The contracts would be meaningless, they would have nothing to gain.