All Else Failed
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no there wouldn't. There will always be a lot of them.
New Jersey to Ban Death Penalty
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This debate is going nowhere....you think the death penalty is wrong, and you're entitled to your opinion. Fine. I feel the way that I feel because of what I have to deal with working with inmates the way that I do. Just to give you something to think about though.....90% of them are never sorry they did what they did, and would do it again if given the chance. I can say that because I listen to their private conversations with other inmates, I listen when they manipulate the system by telling their counselors that they are "depressed" and in turn get things handed to them. You may as well give someone a gun and say "Please, murder my family then I'll let you go free!"
All Else Failed
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what?
IntruderLS1
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Excuse me? We have a 0.004% murder rate. :smiley24:
Source: http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_mur_percap-crime-murders-per-capita
To everybody carrying the flag, and absolutely waxing AEF here.... :clap
#1 Colombia:0.617847 per 1,000 people
#2 South Africa:0.496008 per 1,000 people
#3 Jamaica:0.324196 per 1,000 people
#4 Venezuela:0.316138 per 1,000 people
#5 Russia:0.201534 per 1,000 people
#6 Mexico:0.130213 per 1,000 people
#7 Estonia:0.107277 per 1,000 people
#8 Latvia:0.10393 per 1,000 people
#9 Lithuania:0.102863 per 1,000 people
#10 Belarus:0.0983495 per 1,000 people
#11 Ukraine:0.094006 per 1,000 people
#12 Papua New Guinea:0.0838593 per 1,000 people
#13 Kyrgyzstan:0.0802565 per 1,000 people
#14 Thailand:0.0800798 per 1,000 people
#15 Moldova:0.0781145 per 1,000 people
#16 Zimbabwe:0.0749938 per 1,000 people
#17 Seychelles:0.0739025 per 1,000 people
#18 Zambia:0.070769 per 1,000 people
#19 Costa Rica:0.061006 per 1,000 people
#20 Poland:0.0562789 per 1,000 people
#21 Georgia:0.0511011 per 1,000 people
#22 Uruguay:0.045082 per 1,000 people
#23 Bulgaria:0.0445638 per 1,000 people
#24 United States:0.042802 per 1,000 people
#25 Armenia:0.0425746 per 1,000 people
#26 India:0.0344083 per 1,000 people
#27 Yemen:0.0336276 per 1,000 people
#28 Dominica:0.0289733 per 1,000 people
#29 Azerbaijan:0.0285642 per 1,000 people
#30 Finland:0.0283362 per 1,000 people
#31 Slovakia:0.0263303 per 1,000 people
#32 Romania:0.0250784 per 1,000 people
#33 Portugal:0.0233769 per 1,000 people
#34 Malaysia:0.0230034 per 1,000 people
#35 Macedonia, The Former Yugoslav Republic of:0.0229829 per 1,000 people
#36 Mauritius:0.021121 per 1,000 people
#37 Hungary:0.0204857 per 1,000 people
#38 Korea, South:0.0196336 per 1,000 people
#39 Slovenia:0.0179015 per 1,000 people
#40 France:0.0173272 per 1,000 people
#41 Czech Republic:0.0169905 per 1,000 people
#42 Iceland:0.0168499 per 1,000 people
#43 Australia:0.0150324 per 1,000 people
#44 Canada:0.0149063 per 1,000 people
#45 Chile:0.014705 per 1,000 people
#46 United Kingdom:0.0140633 per 1,000 people
#47 Italy:0.0128393 per 1,000 people
#48 Spain:0.0122456 per 1,000 people
#49 Germany:0.0116461 per 1,000 people
#50 Tunisia:0.0112159 per 1,000 people
#51 Netherlands:0.0111538 per 1,000 people
#52 New Zealand:0.0111524 per 1,000 people
#53 Denmark:0.0106775 per 1,000 people
#54 Norway:0.0106684 per 1,000 people
#55 Ireland:0.00946215 per 1,000 people
#56 Switzerland:0.00921351 per 1,000 people
#57 Indonesia:0.00910842 per 1,000 people
#58 Greece:0.0075928 per 1,000 people
#59 Hong Kong:0.00550804 per 1,000 people
#60 Japan:0.00499933 per 1,000 people
#61 Saudi Arabia:0.00397456 per 1,000 people
#62 Qatar:0.00115868 per 1,000 people
Weighted average:0.1 per 1,000 people
Ok, well:
Murderers murder - they do not give their victims the chance of an appeal as to whether or not it should be done to them!
paedophilles molest in the sickest form there is and often murder their victims - they do not give their victims the chance of an appeal as to whether or not it should be done to them!
Rapists rape & often murder their victim too - they do not give their victims the chance of appeal, as to whether or not it should be done to them!
Do you see the pattern here at all?
They definately have to lose any 'rights'.
They don't let their victims have their rights, or let them get away with it, so why the hell should they?
Oh, but it isn't a "BAD idea" for the murderers, rapists, Paedo's to choose who they kill or not?
Precisely^^^^^^^^ They know the consequences then have the even sicker mind to feel justified in trying to squirm their evil minds out of the punishment they knew well in advance would happen by doing it?
No-one in their right mind would then be so 'understanding' if it were their children/husbands/wives/ or any other relatives. I agree with what you say there Evan.
This is exactly hypocrytical - re-read the beginning of this post of mine......so it's OK for a kidnapper cos he is worse than a rapist, Paedo, murderer? He deserves the punishment to justify what he did (which of course he does), but not the rest of them listed above?
No they do not need to be, nor deserve to be protected from the exact fear and horror they have placed on innocent victims, taking away their protection they had a right to have and didn't get to have!......
Yes, why not? They didn't go through the deserving or not panel did they, to do what they did to their victims?
Murderers murder - they do not give their victims the chance of an appeal as to whether or not it should be done to them!
paedophilles molest in the sickest form there is and often murder their victims - they do not give their victims the chance of an appeal as to whether or not it should be done to them!
Rapists rape & often murder their victim too - they do not give their victims the chance of appeal, as to whether or not it should be done to them!
Do you see the pattern here at all?
They definately have to lose any 'rights'.
They don't let their victims have their rights, or let them get away with it, so why the hell should they?
Oh, but it isn't a "BAD idea" for the murderers, rapists, Paedo's to choose who they kill or not?
Precisely^^^^^^^^ They know the consequences then have the even sicker mind to feel justified in trying to squirm their evil minds out of the punishment they knew well in advance would happen by doing it?
No-one in their right mind would then be so 'understanding' if it were their children/husbands/wives/ or any other relatives. I agree with what you say there Evan.
This is exactly hypocrytical - re-read the beginning of this post of mine......so it's OK for a kidnapper cos he is worse than a rapist, Paedo, murderer? He deserves the punishment to justify what he did (which of course he does), but not the rest of them listed above?
No they do not need to be, nor deserve to be protected from the exact fear and horror they have placed on innocent victims, taking away their protection they had a right to have and didn't get to have!......
Yes, why not? They didn't go through the deserving or not panel did they, to do what they did to their victims?
Peter Parka
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Look at the countries below the USA in that list that don't have the death penalty. This list just proves my point that the death penalty isn't a preventative measure to prevent murder. Thanks for backing that up!:clap
Peter Parka
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Actually that makes no sense to me. Someone else here summed this up perfectly. Under this logic the best way to go and punish someone who raped your daughter is to go out and rape his daughter too.
The Death Penalty was put in place as a form of Capital Punishment for the very worst of offenders. I'm all for it. I say that they should be put to death expediently. What I am still failing to understand is how there are still people that think that inmates are to be treated as you and I are treated. They are NOT like you and I! They have committed crimes, and should be punished! If a man comes home from work one day and decided to murder his family just because he's not happy about the quality of his life, and then proceeds to douse his wife and children and set them all on fire, HE DESERVES TO DIE! (There was an inmate at the prison I work at that did this) He's now sitting on Death Row with an execution date set for the middle of January.....27 YEARS after he committed that horrible crime!
Obviously everyone here has good arguments about why the Death Penalty should or should not be used. Either way the US will always be overrun with criminals because we can't objectively decide how to deal with crime in this country.
Obviously everyone here has good arguments about why the Death Penalty should or should not be used. Either way the US will always be overrun with criminals because we can't objectively decide how to deal with crime in this country.
eye for an eye notion is old testament ,jesus said that was done with he was the new covenant and to ignore all that stuff.being old testament ofcourse its why it also appears in radical muslim thought on punishment,and we know how barbaric they are in saudi etc.
at best its not about religion its about decency .
at best its not about religion its about decency .
All Else Failed
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I'm done with this thread, I don't see any reasons to continue beating my points to death.
Murder is murder is murder is murder. It doesn't matter who does it, its murder. But hey, if you want to say its ok just because the "good guys" are doing it, then by all means, continue telling yourselves that. Have a good day.
Murder is murder is murder is murder. It doesn't matter who does it, its murder. But hey, if you want to say its ok just because the "good guys" are doing it, then by all means, continue telling yourselves that. Have a good day.
GraceAbounds
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Jesus did not say to ignore the Old Testament. Jesus was very clear in that he did not come to abolish the old law but to perfect it.
That's a shame you gave in AEF - the whole point of a debate, is for those involved, to air their points of view, without getting annoyed, without getting personal to others (which happens at times) and to be allowed the point of view and to ask what is what with different views, that's all.
If everyone agreed with everyone in the world, there would never be debates.
If everyone agreed with everyone in the world, there would never be debates.
GraceAbounds
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Some people can't accept that others have different points of view without being ugly and putting other's down; it's intolerance. Others can't disagree while still learning from one another and continuing to be friends. Personally, I don't care to 'debate' per say as that always seems to just get mean spirited somehow, someway. I prefer to just discuss things and put relationship ahead of trying to 'make the other person agree me'. Posts aren't going to change anything in this world, but relationships can and will.
Yeah that was totally offtopic - but it was on my heart so
Yeah that was totally offtopic - but it was on my heart so
IntruderLS1
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LOL Thanks for that laugh. You sir are an eternal optimist!!
A few minor corrections though.... You said the U.S. has one of the highest murder rates in the world. This is factually untrue. The U.S. murder rate of 0.004% is statistically insignificant.
Secondly, though we do have the legal death penalty here, it is in word only for all intents and purposes. It is so seldom used; that you cannot make the case that the fear of it is having any effect. If it were used more often, the fear deterance of it would possibly come into effect.
Thirdly, which countries below the U.S. do and do not use the death penalty, and how often do they employ it? Do you see any surprising names down there that use it ALL the time? Why do you suppose that is?
You continue to amaze me...I've noticed a pattern with you. If someone says something that you don't like, you batter back and forth awhile til they get your goat then you jump ship. Like Free said, the whole point of a debate is to get everyone's opinions out there and not to get angry and do the virtual "foot stomping" like a spoiled child.
But oh well, just as well that you're done debating. I was sick of trying to get someone to see my point that can't even get past their own nose.....
Peter Parka
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LOL Thanks for that laugh. You sir are an eternal optimist!!
A few minor corrections though.... You said the U.S. has one of the highest murder rates in the world. This is factually untrue. The U.S. murder rate of 0.004% is statistically insignificant.
Secondly, though we do have the legal death penalty here, it is in word only for all intents and purposes. It is so seldom used; that you cannot make the case that the fear of it is having any effect. If it were used more often, the fear deterance of it would possibly come into effect.
Thirdly, which countries below the U.S. do and do not use the death penalty, and how often do they employ it? Do you see any surprising names down there that use it ALL the time? Why do you suppose that is?
Ok, I stand corrected there, that wasn't the point I was trying to make though. I was pointing out that the death penalty dosen't prevent murders which is precisely what the figures you quotes back up.
All Else Failed
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I didn't give in, I'm sick and tired of responding to the same arguments 15 times in a row.That's a shame you gave in AEF - the whole point of a debate, is for those involved, to air their points of view, without getting annoyed, without getting personal to others (which happens at times) and to be allowed the point of view and to ask what is what with different views, that's all.
If everyone agreed with everyone in the world, there would never be debates.
All Else Failed
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when did they "get my goat"? Like i said before, all of you are just stating the same thing over and over again, its not worth responding to the same thing dozens of times. Come up with something new if you want to continue. Don't get so fussy.
Then you can imagine our frustration.
All Else Failed
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I can't really help repeating myself when all everyone does here is say the same buzz-words and various clone-statements that other have said already.
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