McCain and Palin for President!

[Strauss]

good question

but that is not how a REPUBLIC is supposed to operate.

I know silly me. We abandoned being a republic long ago.

My recollection is you elect somebody based on their wisdom and judgment. They are then supposed to make the tough choices. They did that back in the mid 1800's and slavery was ended. Using the public opinion idea then who knows when slavery would have ended.

Look up one post you dipstick, I already posted that. Geezzz, people from Detroit, a day late and a dollar short.
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[Alien Allen]

I didn't say they didn't. I said they did it differently.

I see just fine, but your "piss-on-everybody" glasses need cleaning!

nice spin

you should manufacture tops with that talent

you know damn well what you meant.

the mean old reps are nasty and the dems are nice.

nice try though dipstick :24:

 

[Alien Allen]

Look up one post you dipstick, I already posted that. Geezzz, people from Detroit, a day late and a dollar short.
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mine was better

and I was editing my original point.

so shut the fuck up

 

[trekguy]

No, see you have the liberal attitude. Public opinion flows and ebbs with the hot button item of the moment. Our elected leaders need to plan long term and do what is in the best interests of their constituency not what is expedient or popular at the time. Churchill is a perfect example of the right kind of thinking. Reagan had the same trait. Judging wrong takes generations removed from the event.

I think you have defined the difference between liberal and conservative thinking right there.

Yes, I have the liberal attitude. I believe that times change, and that representatives (us), should represent... and not take it unto themselves to decide for us.

 

[trekguy]

nice spin

you should manufacture tops with that talent

you know damn well what you meant.

the mean old reps are nasty and the dems are nice.

nice try though dipstick :24:

Ummm, yeah.... isn't that what I said??? :nod:

Too subtle for you, maybe?

 

[trekguy]

mine was better

and I was editing my original point.

so shut the fuck up

Nah, GB's was better.

 

[Alien Allen]

Nah, GB's was better.

screw your Socialist ass

 

[Strauss]

I think you have defined the difference between liberal and conservative thinking right there.

Yes, I have the liberal attitude. I believe that times change, and that representatives (us), should represent... and not take it unto themselves to decide for us.

Really, then FDR would never have gotten into the war. Lincoln would have sued for peace. You really don't have an understanding of history do you?

 

[Alien Allen]

Ummm, yeah.... isn't that what I said??? :nod:

nope

 

[trekguy]

Really, then FDR would never have gotten into the war. Lincoln would have sued for peace. You really don't have an understanding of history do you?

What was public opinion after Pearl Harbor??

I don't think anyone can have a complete understanding of history that they weren't a part of. You're reading someone else's accounts... and there can be many.... and you (me) will gravitate towards the accounts that best fit our prejudices. imo

 

[Strauss]

What was public opinion after Pearl Harbor??

I don't think anyone can have a complete understanding of history that they weren't a part of. You're reading someone else's accounts... and there can be many.... and you (me) will gravitate towards the accounts that best fit our prejudices. imo

Wow, that was a nice cop out.

Here is the point; the reason liberals are low on the trust scale when it comes to things like national defense (and you must admit when one thinks national defense Obama doesn't come to mind) is because of the rightful perception that liberals flow with the tide, whatever the flavor of the month is will be the liberal mantra. Conservatives on the other hand are steadfast in their core beliefs such as a strong national defense. Note, I don't use the terms Republicans or Democrats because those terms do not describe the persons' political philosophy. You can have a liberal Republican or conservative Democrat.

 

[trekguy]

Wow, that was a nice cop out.

Here is the point; the reason liberals are low on the trust scale when it comes to things like national defense (and you must admit when one thinks national defense Obama doesn't come to mind) is because of the rightful perception that liberals flow with the tide, whatever the flavor of the month is will be the liberal mantra. Conservatives on the other hand are steadfast in their core beliefs such as a strong national defense. Note, I don't use the terms Republicans or Democrats because those terms do not describe the persons' political philosophy. You can have a liberal Republican or conservative Democrat.

Nice cop out? What, you don't want to answer the question?

How does "going with the flow" translate to weak on defense. That's crap. I'll agree that liberals are perceived as weak on defense. That's just the point. Perception. Conservatives have manufactured that perception over the years. Liberals, just the same as conservatives. believe deeply that we should have a strong military.

 

[Minor Axis]

Ok people take a look at the following graphic. This info comes from the Tax Policy Center, a non-partisan institution. Then tell me why McCain and Palin are out on the stump telling people that Obama is going to raise their taxes? Allow me: they are liars. Also note who gets the largest percentage tax cut under McCain. More trickle down shit from the Republican party. If you think the poor rich people need a big break, McCain is your man.

See the article at The Washington Post.

And I watched The View and heard McCain tell the audience that Palin did not ask for earmarks, when it has clearly been established that she has asked for more earmarks, per capita, of any politician in the country, as in $200 million in earmarks. This is Palin the make believe reformer I'm talking about.

 

[Minor Axis]

Wow, that was a nice cop out.

Here is the point; the reason liberals are low on the trust scale when it comes to things like national defense (and you must admit when one thinks national defense Obama doesn't come to mind) is because of the rightful perception that liberals flow with the tide, whatever the flavor of the month is will be the liberal mantra. Conservatives on the other hand are steadfast in their core beliefs such as a strong national defense. Note, I don't use the terms Republicans or Democrats because those terms do not describe the persons' political philosophy. You can have a liberal Republican or conservative Democrat.

I disagree with your assessment making blanket statements about liberals vs conservatives. BTW, being strong and stupid is not an asset, it's a liability.

 

[Alien Allen]

I disagree with your assessment making blanket statements about liberals vs conservatives. BTW, being strong and stupid is not an asset, it's a liability.

of course being strong and stupid is not an asset

but being liberal and hoping for things to work out is no better

sometimes talk will accomplish nothing. does not mean you avoid talking but in the end if talking fails one needs to be strong and smart. liberals might be smart but not strong.

 

[Minor Axis]

of course being strong and stupid is not an asset.

Hey we found agreement on the Bush Administration!! :thumbup

 

[Tim]

of course being strong and stupid is not an asset

but being liberal and hoping for things to work out is no better

sometimes talk will accomplish nothing. does not mean you avoid talking but in the end if talking fails one needs to be strong and smart. liberals might be smart but not strong.

You are absolutely right. And to take it a step further... Being liberal, conservative, libertarian, communist, etc. means absolutely nothing if you do not have a clear and concise plan of action that you follow through with. This is the problem with most politicians today, they are all full of shit. Talking points, campaign promises, hot air and double talk, that's all they are good for. On both sides of the aisle.

You can put as much faith in GW's, McCain's, Hilary's and Obama's words as you can a 3rd grader... So you need to look at actions, intelligence, past record and how they conduct themselves... You may think I'm liberal for liking Obama, but that has nothing to do with it. I like him because for the first time in a long time we have someone who is running for president that isn't in the back pocket of lobbiests, someone who hasn't yet sold their soul to any major corporation. And he's very intelligent. I don't care how much you may not like him or his policies, that is something that you cannot take away from him and it's a very good quality to have in the leader of the free world. It was a huge mistake to pick Bush, he is intellectually void, as is McCain... Both put more effort into partying then they ever did academics... I want a president who is smarter than me for a change. Not some dolt who I can see having a beer with.

 

[Alien Allen]

You are absolutely right. And to take it a step further... Being liberal, conservative, libertarian, communist, etc. means absolutely nothing if you do not have a clear and concise plan of action that you follow through with. This is the problem with most politicians today, they are all full of shit. Talking points, campaign promises, hot air and double talk, that's all they are good for. On both sides of the aisle.

You can put as much faith in GW's, McCain's, Hilary's and Obama's words as you can a 3rd grader... So you need to look at actions, intelligence, past record and how they conduct themselves... You may think I'm liberal for liking Obama, but that has nothing to do with it. I like him because for the first time in a long time we have someone who is running for president that isn't in the back pocket of lobbiests, someone who hasn't yet sold their soul to any major corporation. And he's very intelligent. I don't care how much you may not like him or his policies, that is something that you cannot take away from him and it's a very good quality to have in the leader of the free world. It was a huge mistake to pick Bush, he is intellectually void, as is McCain... Both put more effort into partying then they ever did academics... I want a president who is smarter than me for a change. Not some dolt who I can see having a beer with.

sounds good on paper

problem is that NOBODY reaches that level of politics without being owned. NOBODY

you are living in a dream world if you think he is free of such burdens.

 

[Tim]

sounds good on paper

problem is that NOBODY reaches that level of politics without being owned. NOBODY

you are living in a dream world if you think he is free of such burdens.

No dream world for me... I don't think he is pure as driven snow. I just think if anyone has a chance at beating the lobbyist game, it's him. He hasn't been entrenched in that world as long, he doesn't have a campaign FILLED with lobbyists and he is staying clear of their pac money...

Hell, it's a start

 

[Minor Axis]

He hasn't been entrenched in that world as long, he doesn't have a campaign FILLED with lobbyists and he is staying clear of their pac money...

Hell, it's a start

That would be Obama versus McCain who's campaign staff is full of former lobbyists. McCain the reformer.....R-I-G-H-T... :thumbdown