Martin/Zimmerman-----Poll

[The Man]

You keep saying savage beating... you don't know that. Hell, he could have slipped on the wet grass when chasing after Martin and hit his head on the sidewalk.

Zimmerman already lied to police about Martin walking around his car looking in so what makes you think he isn't lying about getting "savagely beaten"?

Again are you that fucking ignorant Tim
Think before you post and save your self the embarrassment.
You dont slip while running and hit your BACK of your head on the sidewalk multiple times then flip over and fatten both your lips and break your nose.
You are either ignorant or a troll take your pick

 

[retro]

Again are you that fucking ignorant Tim
Think before you post and save your self the embarrassment.

You are either ignorant or a troll take your pick

Irony at its finest... You really should take your own advice.

 

[Pat1]

Not all the facts are known yet. Nothing has been proven in favor of the prosecution but there may be something. Seems to be a big pile of evidence.

 

[The Man]

Irony at its finest... You really should take your own advice.

You really should log out and perhaps go play some crossword puzzles..something more fitting for your speed.

 

[The Man]

Not all the facts are known yet. Nothing has been proven in favor of the prosecution but there may be something. Seems to be a big pile of evidence.

Exactly...several professional attorneys have openly stated the arrest was bogus.
The prosecution can think what they want but they have nothing to support it.
The arrest was merely made to appease the masses

 

[retro]

You really should log out and perhaps go play some crossword puzzles..something more fitting for your speed.

Awesome "comeback" right there... It might have even stung if it made any sense. Do try again, would you?

 

[The Man]

Awesome "comeback" right there... It might have even stung if it made any sense. Do try again, would you?

Thanks you have proven my post :clap

 

[retro]

Thanks you have proven my post :clap

Sure thing champ.

 

[Aeval]

This, I think, is the million dollar question.

Now, defensively, he could state that he FELT that his life was in danger which would fall under the Florida law (if I understand it correctly.)

However, if prosecution can convince a jury that Zimmerman used EXCESSIVE force (went beyond necessary defensive actions) against Martin, then he will be convicted. As for the 2nd Degree Murder charge, it will probably be downsized to Man 1 or something along those lines.

That's what I think will eventually happen....the charges will be downsized to Man 1. He has to be held accountable for killing Martin.

 

[Tim]

Again are you that fucking ignorant Tim
Think before you post and save your self the embarrassment.
You dont slip while running and hit your BACK of your head on the sidewalk multiple times then flip over and fatten both your lips and break your nose.
You are either ignorant or a troll take your pick

So you will not accept the fact that the fight may have started because Zimmerman attacked martin. ie, Martin was defending himself

It's not even a possibility for you, is it?

Don't forget that it was Zimmerman that chased down this kid at night who was doing absolutely nothing wrong. That is reason enough to fight for your life.

 

[The Man]

Are you changing your argument?..I would hope so the last one was rather sad.

You keep saying savage beating... you don't know that. Hell, he could have slipped on the wet grass when chasing after Martin and hit his head on the sidewalk.

Zimmerman already lied to police about Martin walking around his car looking in so what makes you think he isn't lying about getting "savagely beaten"?

So you will not accept the fact that the fight may have started because Zimmerman attacked martin. ie, Martin was defending himself

It's not even a possibility for you, is it?

Don't forget that it was Zimmerman that chased down this kid at night who was doing absolutely nothing wrong. That is reason enough to fight for your life.

You are all over the place here Tim
"First he fell while chasing him"....and yet you have no evidence to show he chased him.
Now you want to say Zimmerman may have started the fight....hell he may have...the thing Tim is there is no evidence to support such.
I do hope you havent served on jury trials for the sake of the accused.
It is starting to look like you just like to convict people without evidence and come up some wild imaginary scenarios to support a conviction.
Let me ask you this Tim...Have you been to New Zealand?

 

[The Man]

So you will not accept the fact that the fight may have started because Zimmerman attacked martin. ie, Martin was defending himself

It's not even a possibility for you, is it?

Don't forget that it was Zimmerman that chased down this kid at night who was doing absolutely nothing wrong. That is reason enough to fight for your life.

That's what I think will eventually happen....the charges will be downsized to Man 1. He has to be held accountable for killing Martin.

Manslaughter with a firearm in Fla .....ends up at 25 year minimum sentence
Let me ask you this...does he need to serve a minimum of 25 years?

Also why should he be held accountable?

If I give you a gun...and start pounding your head into the concrete are you going to shoot/or let me beat you to death?
Since when is it ok to pound someones head into the cement?

 

[Tim]

Are you changing your argument?..I would hope so the last one was rather sad.





You are all over the place here Tim
"First he fell while chasing him"....and yet you have no evidence to show he chased him.
Now you want to say Zimmerman may have started the fight....hell he may have...the thing Tim is there is no evidence to support such.
I do hope you havent served on jury trials for the sake of the accused.
It is starting to look like you just like to convict people without evidence and come up some wild imaginary scenarios to support a conviction.
Let me ask you this Tim...Have you been to New Zealand?

Jesus Christ, you still don't understand, do you?

My point from the very beginning and you can go check every single post of mine, is that we don't know what happened when they got together. He could have slipped and fell, he could have started beating on Martin, Martin could have felt that he was defending himself from some crazed idiot, Martin could have jumped Zimmerman, or a dozen other possible scenarios that we haven't even thought of.

But you focus on one thing and one thing only. You won't even consider any other possibility, none.

I have said time and time again that we don't know how the fight started or who was in the right. That is why I BELIEVE that the evidence should be presented to a jury in a court to determine the facts.
I never said Zimmerman was guilty of 2nd degree murder or not, that is why I want him to face a jury of his peers so they can determine that.

 

[The Man]

Jesus Christ, you still don't understand, do you?

My point from the very beginning and you can go check every single post of mine, is that we don't know what happened when they got together. He could have slipped and fell, he could have started beating on Martin, Martin could have felt that he was defending himself from some crazed idiot, Martin could have jumped Zimmerman, or a dozen other possible scenarios that we haven't even thought of.

But you focus on one thing and one thing only. You won't even consider any other possibility, none.

I have said time and time again that we don't know how the fight started or who was in the right. That is why I BELIEVE that the evidence should be presented to a jury in a court to determine the facts.
I never said Zimmerman was guilty of 2nd degree murder or not, that is why I want him to face a jury of his peers so they can determine that.

I understand perfectly fine...you want an arrest over any homicide..you have posted this a few days ago.
Obviously you dont care if there is any evidence ...you just want an arrest and a trial.
Now you want to speculate that Zimmerman may have attacked martin.
Again...you have no business serving as a juror as you dont go by the evidence but rather your imaginary scenarios.
You should be ashamed Tim...be sure to disqualify yourself if you are ever summoned to be a juror.

 

[Aeval]

Jesus Christ, you still don't understand, do you?

My point from the very beginning and you can go check every single post of mine, is that we don't know what happened when they got together. He could have slipped and fell, he could have started beating on Martin, Martin could have felt that he was defending himself from some crazed idiot, Martin could have jumped Zimmerman, or a dozen other possible scenarios that we haven't even thought of.

But you focus on one thing and one thing only. You won't even consider any other possibility, none.

I have said time and time again that we don't know how the fight started or who was in the right. That is why I BELIEVE that the evidence should be presented to a jury in a court to determine the facts.
I never said Zimmerman was guilty of 2nd degree murder or not, that is why I want him to face a jury of his peers so they can determine that.

Sums it up....hit the nail on the head....that's it, that's all folks....

You got it, it's the only right course of action.

 

[Tim]

Sums it up....hit the nail on the head....that's it, that's all folks....

You got it, it's the only right course of action.

:24: Apparently not according to TM...

 

[retro]

:24: Apparently not according to TM...

Well, The "Man" lives in a fantasy world, so it's not that surprising.

 

[Tim]

I understand perfectly fine...you want an arrest over any homicide..you have posted this a few days ago.
Obviously you dont care if there is any evidence ...you just want an arrest and a trial.
Now you want to speculate that Zimmerman may have attacked martin.
Again...you have no business serving as a juror as you dont go by the evidence but rather your imaginary scenarios.
You should be ashamed Tim...be sure to disqualify yourself if you are ever summoned to be a juror.

No, I do not want an arrest over any homicide and you are an idiot if you gleaned this from my posts.

If you are home alone and someone breaks in to harm you and you shoot him dead, if there is enough evidence to support your story of events, then you should not need to go to trial.

But that isn't the case here. There are way too many unanswered questions to just let him walk free.

Yes, there is evidence in this case but it doesn't even come close to telling the whole story. There are way too many variables here to consider it a slam dunk either way.

 

[The Man]

Sums it up....hit the nail on the head....that's it, that's all folks....

You got it, it's the only right course of action.

So you want 12 people to get together and GUESS how the fight started?
How is this the right course of action?

Now remember..with the American judicial system you are supposed to be guilty beyond a reasonable doubt
If people have to go in and guess..isnt that reasonable doubt alone?...certainly grounds for a new trial.

Besides it wouldnt really matter who started it...it is when it became deadly that counts.
Which is pretty obvious its when the head smashing started.

If you came up and slapped me I cant start smashing your head for example.

 

[The Man]

No, I do not want an arrest over any homicide and you are an idiot if you gleaned this from my posts.

If you are home alone and someone breaks in to harm you and you shoot him dead, if there is enough evidence to support your story of events, then you should not need to go to trial.

But that isn't the case here. There are way too many unanswered questions to just let him walk free.

Yes, there is evidence in this case but it doesn't even come close to telling the whole story. There are way too many variables here to consider it a slam dunk either way.

That wasnt your argument Tim...why are you changing your story again?

But anyway..it seems to be your norm.

But anyway...you people seem to keep dodging this...so I will ask it again
What evidence do you have of murder.