Martin/Zimmerman-----Poll

[The Man]

Just because you've expressed your opinion on the matter doesn't make it fact. You don't feel that the state would pay for a trip to emergency because the cops wanted to question him, yeah, I get that, you think that if he was a cop, he would have been treated differently, great, I get that too....but that's your opinion, your opinion has no bearing on this case. The facts are the facts, his injuries were not determined to be life-threatening by the professionals at the scene.

A broken nose and lacerations do require medical attention....but not immediate.

It has to be proven in court if he *felt* his life was in danger, the paramedics releasing him into police custody that night, to me, show one of 2 things, either he over-reacted or he lied.

Just because you've expressed your opinion on the matter doesn't make it fact.

No its a fact..he needed medical attention.

You don't feel that the state would pay for a trip to emergency because the cops wanted to question him

No its a fact...they took him in rather than to the hospital...they took him in to question him

you think that if he was a cop, he would have been treated differently, great, I get that too

Its a fact...not an opinion.

but that's your opinion, your opinion has no bearing on this case.

Again its a fact..not an opinion...he sustained lacerations and broken bones as well as head impacts....these were treated later.
The fact that these were treated later shows they needed to be treated...its not an opinion.

The facts are the facts, his injuries were not determined to be life-threatening by the professionals at the scene.

No one has stated that he had life threatening injuries and was going to die.

A broken nose and lacerations do require medical attention....but not immediate.

Now that a matter of opinion

 

[Tim]

Are you fucking ignorant>did you not read the post{s} it has all been explained
AGAIN he had a broken nose AGAIN he had head gashes from impact
If you don't think that warrants a trip to the hospital then you are just fucking playing ignorant.
Read the fucking prior posts before wasting my time with your junior high style responses.

Zimmerman was diagnosed with a "closed fracture" of his nose, a pair of black eyes, two lacerations to the back of his head and a minor back injury the day after he fatally shot Martin during an alleged altercation.

Please explain to me where any of the above warrant a trip to the hospital.

1. A closed fracture of your nose means nothing more than a hair line fracture. Meaning no displacement and the nose doesn't need to be set or realigned.
2. Two black eyes? What do you want the hospital to do, hand him a couple of steaks to throw on there?
3. Two lacerations that didn't even require stitches.... Hmmm, I guess you stop the bleeding and throw a couple of butterfly bandages on there. Exactly what the paramedics did.
4. Minor back injury? WTF is that? You complain that you have a stiff back the next day? Yeah, he should have been medivac'd from the seen... not

 

[Aeval]

No one has stated that he had life threatening injuries and was going to die.

But if he wasn't fighting for his life, why did he shoot Martin???

 

[The Man]

Please explain to me where any of the above warrant a trip to the hospital.

1. A closed fracture of your nose means nothing more than a hair line fracture. Meaning no displacement and the nose doesn't need to be set or realigned.
2. Two black eyes? What do you want the hospital to do, hand him a couple of steaks to throw on there?
3. Two lacerations that didn't even require stitches.... Hmmm, I guess you stop the bleeding and throw a couple of butterfly bandages on there. Exactly what the paramedics did.
4. Minor back injury? WTF is that? You complain that you have a stiff back the next day? Yeah, he should have been medivac'd from the seen... not

So if your child had a broken nose, fat lips, head gashes from a savage beating you wouldnt take him to the hospital?....you would be doing time Tim and well as make the national news.
Same for an employee you may have....these require medical attention.
Get real...think before you post Tim.

 

[The Man]

But if he wasn't fighting for his life, why did he shoot Martin???

Because martin was trying to kill him...via smashing his head.
Let me give you a gun then start smashing your head onto the cement{especially to the point of causing gashes...you will shoot me/ or let me keep pounding your head?

 

[The Man]

I mean it's clear Florida is the backwards asshole of the United States at this point but I agree...it makes no sense to assert the police left Zimmerman writing in pain near death needing serious medical attention so they could question him.

Who has stated he was in pain near death?

 

[Mercury]

But if he wasn't fighting for his life, why did he shoot Martin???

This, I think, is the million dollar question.

Now, defensively, he could state that he FELT that his life was in danger which would fall under the Florida law (if I understand it correctly.)

However, if prosecution can convince a jury that Zimmerman used EXCESSIVE force (went beyond necessary defensive actions) against Martin, then he will be convicted. As for the 2nd Degree Murder charge, it will probably be downsized to Man 1 or something along those lines.

 

[Tim]

So if your child had a broken nose, fat lips, head gashes from a savage beating you wouldnt take him to the hospital?....you would be doing time Tim and well as make the national news.
Same for an employee you may have....these require medical attention.
Get real...think before you post Tim.

Two little cuts on the head that I can put a band-aid on? No, I wouldn't take my kids to the hospital for that, I would put a fucking band-aid on their little cut, give it a kiss and send them back outside to play...
A nose that isn't displaced or out of alignment? No, that doesn't warrant a trip to the hospital either. There is absolutely NOTHING that they can do for that.
Fat lip? No fucking parent would take their kid to the hospital for a fat lip

 

[The Man]

This, I think, is the million dollar question.

Now, defensively, he could state that he FELT that his life was in danger which would fall under the Florida law (if I understand it correctly.)

However, if prosecution can convince a jury that Zimmerman used EXCESSIVE force (went beyond necessary defensive actions) against Martin, then he will be convicted. As for the 2nd Degree Murder charge, it will probably be downsized to Man 1 or something along those lines.

Not in Fla...manslaughter with a weapon becomes murder..minimum sentence is 25 years.

Now you also have to remember he didnt kill him on accident..so manslaughter doesn't really apply anyway.
So it comes down to "Did Zimmerman murder Martin"

IMO no..he is not a murderer

 

[Panacea]

I definitely think it will be nearly impossible to find any legal wrong doing in this case. To me it appears, like so often in life, the damage is done and there isn't necessarily room to bring justice for Trayvon's death. He is a wasted life at the hands of an idiot, but he's not the first and certainly won't be the last.

Frankly I just wish there was more sensitivity for the loss of this teenager (on both sides, he's not a martyr for minorities and he didn't deserve to die) and less circle jerk brah Zimmerman talk when we know he's at fault for this.

Really the more potentially outrageous contrast to this case is Marissa Alexander:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_...rs-for-warning-shot-did-she-stand-her-ground/

 

[Tim]

This, I think, is the million dollar question.

Now, defensively, he could state that he FELT that his life was in danger which would fall under the Florida law (if I understand it correctly.)

However, if prosecution can convince a jury that Zimmerman used EXCESSIVE force (went beyond necessary defensive actions) against Martin, then he will be convicted. As for the 2nd Degree Murder charge, it will probably be downsized to Man 1 or something along those lines.

I'm sure that the prosecution will make sure to bring up the fact that Zimmerman lied to police when they first questioned him. He made it seem worse than it actually was when he told police that Martin walked around his car looking at him. He later changed his story saying that he walked past his car. But it says a lot about his character and that he's willing to lie to make it seem worse than it actually was.
It would make me think twice about his account of Martin "beating his ass"

 

[The Man]

Two little cuts on the head that I can put a band-aid on? No, I wouldn't take my kids to the hospital for that, I would put a fucking band-aid on their little cut, give it a kiss and send them back outside to play...
A nose that isn't displaced or out of alignment? No, that doesn't warrant a trip to the hospital either. There is absolutely NOTHING that they can do for that.
Fat lip? No fucking parent would take their kid to the hospital for a fat lip

If your kid was involved in a savage beating where his nose was broke.fat lips and his head was smashed into the sidewalk hard enough and multiple times to cause lacerations...you would not take him to the hospital?...you are either a liar or a barbarian take your pick

Oh and it was to late for stitches the next day Tim..thus the butterfly bandages.

 

[Tim]

If your kid was involved in a savage beating where his nose was broke.fat lips and his head was smashed into the sidewalk hard enough and multiple times to cause lacerations...you would not take him to the hospital?...you are either a liar or a barbarian take your pick

Oh and it was to late for stitches the next day time..thus the butterfly bandages.

You keep saying savage beating... you don't know that. Hell, he could have slipped on the wet grass when chasing after Martin and hit his head on the sidewalk.

Zimmerman already lied to police about Martin walking around his car looking in so what makes you think he isn't lying about getting "savagely beaten"?

 

[Kakapo Dundee]

If your kid was involved in a savage beating where his nose was broke.fat lips and his head was smashed into the sidewalk hard enough and multiple times to cause lacerations...you would not take him to the hospital?...you are either a liar or a barbarian take your pick

Oh and it was to late for stitches the next day time..thus the butterfly bandages.

And again with the hyperbole. Will be interesting to see the truth in court.

 

[Mercury]

I definitely think it will be nearly impossible to find any legal wrong doing in this case. To me it appears, like so often in life, the damage is done and there isn't necessarily room to bring justice for Trayvon's death. He is a wasted life at the hands of an idiot, but he's not the first and certainly won't be the last.

Frankly I just wish there was more sensitivity for the loss of this teenager (on both sides, he's not a martyr for minorities and he didn't deserve to die) and less circle jerk brah Zimmerman talk when we know he's at fault for this.

Really the more potentially outrageous contrast to this case is Marissa Alexander:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_...rs-for-warning-shot-did-she-stand-her-ground/

Yeah, that Marissa Alexander case is really amazing. She FELT her life was in danger and used a WARNING shot which stopped her husband from becoming violent with her ... yet she was convicted with a crime. I'm sure they will argue that she wasn't being physically assaulted at the time she fired the weapon, so she "SHOULDN'T" have used the weapon at all.

This is the problem with self defense ... it is wrapped all around the individual's feelings of whether or not they are in a life threatening situation. How in the Hell can one legislate something like this? It is all about the individual's feelings at that moment???

 

[The Man]

It would make me think twice about his account of Martin "beating his ass"

WOW
Fat lips
Broken nose
Head wounds
Injured back
And you doubt he got his ass whipped.

 

[Tim]

WOW
Fat lips
Broken nose
Head wounds
Injured back
And you doubt he got his ass whipped.

Sounds exactly like what would happen if you slipped and fell in the wet grass while running down an innocent kid.

 

[The Man]

I definitely think it will be nearly impossible to find any legal wrong doing in this case. To me it appears, like so often in life, the damage is done and there isn't necessarily room to bring justice for Trayvon's death. He is a wasted life at the hands of an idiot, but he's not the first and certainly won't be the last.

Frankly I just wish there was more sensitivity for the loss of this teenager (on both sides, he's not a martyr for minorities and he didn't deserve to die) and less circle jerk brah Zimmerman talk when we know he's at fault for this.

Really the more potentially outrageous contrast to this case is Marissa Alexander:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_...rs-for-warning-shot-did-she-stand-her-ground/

I definitely think it will be nearly impossible to find any legal wrong doing in this case.

The martin family should be able to win a civil case.

To me it appears, like so often in life, the damage is done and there isn't necessarily room to bring justice for Trayvon's death.

He has been arrested and charged with murder....do you approve?

He is a wasted life at the hands of an idiot

So you disapprove of george defending himslef?

Frankly I just wish there was more sensitivity for the loss of this teenager

Maybe you missed out on all the excitement ...but there was alot of people demanding his arrest...black panthers have a bounty out on him etc.

on both sides, he's not a martyr for minorities and he didn't deserve to die

No one has claimed he was

and less circle jerk brah Zimmerman talk when we know he's at fault for this.

So you dont approve of him defending himself?

Really the more potentially outrageous contrast to this case is Marissa Alexander:
http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-504083_...rs-for-warning-shot-did-she-stand-her-ground/

Trying to scare someone with a gun with kids around his pretty stupid dont you think....Is that the same case{I didnt read your link}

 

[The Man]

Sounds exactly like what would happen if you slipped and fell in the wet grass while running down an innocent kid.

Are you that ignorant Tim.
Fall down while running ..get multiple gashes to the back of your head ...as well as a broken nose and fat lips.

You are fine example why the jury system is flawed Tim

 

[The Man]

And again with the hyperbole. Will be interesting to see the truth in court.

Would you take your kid to the hospital...or go to prison.
Wait a minute..you are from NZ...it may be different there