Martin/Zimmerman-----Poll

[retro]

He needs a fair shot..I am not defending him...I agree getting out of the car was stupid but he doesnt need to be charged with murder.
You seem to have no issues to the murder charge....You are defending martin through your actions however with unjust prejudice.{to the case} not racial prejudice

It's not my place to determine whether or not Zimmerman committed murder... that's up to the prosecution to prove and for the jury to convict or exonerate him of. That being said, I believe the fact that a firearm was used in the commission of the death automatically elevates it to a murder charge in the State of Florida due to their gun laws. At least that is the way I heard it explained... so manslaughter becomes murder in the second degree. If that's the case, then yes... he should be charged with that crime under the laws of the State of Florida. At the very least, he should be charged with manslaughter. He has the opportunity to defend himself of those charges... so I believe this is a fine example of our judicial system working the way that it was intended.

The only prejudice I have is against stupid people... and Zimmerman proved himself to be one dumbass motherfucker by following the kid instead of letting the police do their job. IT was poor judgement on his part, and as a direct result of his actions, a kid is dead and he's facing time in prison if he's found guilty.

 

[The Man]

Really? You didn't?





I highlighted the important word in your statement, just in case you forgot it already. True. Which implies that you agree with what was said, which is to say that 20 minutes elapsed from the time that Zimmerman hung up the phone with the police dispatcher and when he shot Martin. If you only wanted to agree with one portion of the statement, then you should have only quoted the one portion that you were agreeing with. Since you did not do so, we are left to understand that you agreed with the entire statement.

God, it's like taking candy from a baby.

There was no need to make a partial quote as my response clearly pointed to the first paragraph

 

[The Man]

It's not my place to determine whether or not Zimmerman committed murder... that's up to the prosecution to prove and for the jury to convict or exonerate him of. That being said, I believe the fact that a firearm was used in the commission of the death automatically elevates it to a murder charge in the State of Florida due to their gun laws. At least that is the way I heard it explained... so manslaughter becomes murder in the second degree. If that's the case, then yes... he should be charged with that crime under the laws of the State of Florida. At the very least, he should be charged with manslaughter. He has the opportunity to defend himself of those charges... so I believe this is a fine example of our judicial system working the way that it was intended.

Again he is charged with murder..with nothing to show he committed murder....nor manslaughter.
What grounds do you support the arrest and charges?....That he got out of the car?

 

[retro]

There was no need to make a partial quote as my response clearly pointed to the first paragraph

Clearly? Clear as mud maybe. There were two distinctly separate statements in that post. That a case can be thrown out by the judge AND that 20 minutes supposedly elapsed between Zimmerman hanging up with the dispatcher and the altercation occurring. Since you agreed with the post as a whole, we are left with the impression that you were agreeing with all of it. Sorry, you don't get off the hook that easily. You really should be careful about the things that you say... if you treat life with the same kind of careless attitude you show with your statements around here, I'd be very worried for your safety in a tense situation.

 

[retro]

Again he is charged with murder..with nothing to show he committed murder....nor manslaughter.
What grounds do you support the arrest and charges?....That he got out of the car?

That an altercation took place, and during said altercation, Zimmerman pulled his gun and shot the kid. There is sworn testimony from Martin's girlfriend that Zimmerman approached Martin and asked him what he was doing, and there is obviously enough evidence that Zimmerman killed Martin. As such, there is enough evidence for a criminal charge to be brought against him to stand trial for the crime of murder in the second degree.

Additionally, the Martin family certainly has enough evidence to hit him with a wrongful death suit solely on the fact that he got out of his car... but that's neither here nor there at this point in time.

 

[retro]

With that all being said, I'm done here again. You've proven once again that there's no point in trying to have a reasonable discussion with you, because you're completely unwilling to listen to anything even remotely resembling reason.

This is why I shouldn't engage in mental battles with people of lesser intellectual standing... because I just look like a bully when I make you all look like even bigger idiots than you already make yourselves look like on your own.

 

[The Man]

That an altercation took place, and during said altercation, Zimmerman pulled his gun and shot the kid. There is sworn testimony from Martin's girlfriend that Zimmerman approached Martin and asked him what he was doing, and there is obviously enough evidence that Zimmerman killed Martin. As such, there is enough evidence for a criminal charge to be brought against him to stand trial for the crime of murder in the second degree.

Additionally, the Martin family certainly has enough evidence to hit him with a wrongful death suit solely on the fact that he got out of his car... but that's neither here nor there at this point in time.

There is sworn testimony from Martin's girlfriend that Zimmerman approached Martin and asked him what he was doing

Something like what a watchman would say?
So let me ask you this if a watchman from a gated community asked you what you were doing would you brutally assault him?

 

[harley]

That is exactly the point The Man. Getting out of his SUV was probably a bad decision but it doesn't make Zimmerman guilty of murder. The girlfriend's testimony, second hand, isn't even eyewitness testimony and reveals nothing to prove what happened during the fight or who threw the first punch. The prosecution even admits they have nothing. It's good that more evidence is coming out to prove what happened. Some people are obviously upset because it isn't proving what they so desperately want to believe.

 

[Kakapo Dundee]

http://www.offtopicz.net/showthread.php?84114-Changes-to-Philosophy-and-Debate-Posting-Requirements!

It would appear that this isn't working yet.

The evidence will come out in court. The hyperbole, and those who persist in using it, will be shown up as foolish.

The unneccesary death of Trayvon Martin, who died because he was suspected of criminal intent by a vigilante, will be

properly analysed.

 

[JR33]

There needs to be more evidence than what is out there for that. Many legal experts have made that claim.

 

[JR33]

Something like what a watchman would say?
So let me ask you this if a watchman from a gated community asked you what you were doing would you brutally assault him?

Come on now Mr Man. Don't you know that getting out of a SUV makes you guilty of murder while carrying Skittles and iced tea makes you an innocent angel.

 

[JR33]

Hyperbole? You mean like when the police station video was shown and the media idiots were yelling there were no wounds on Zimmerman's head. Then later it was proven he did have wounds.

Or like the time when those claimed there was no proof Zimmerman had a broken nose and now there is a medical record of it.

What about the time people claimed Martin showed no signs of a fight and now the autopsy shows he had skinned knuckles.

Plenty of other examples of "hyperbole" by the media and those who believe that garbage.

 

[Kakapo Dundee]

Hyperbole? You mean like when the police station video was shown and the media idiots were yelling there were no wounds on Zimmerman's head. Then later it was proven he did have wounds.

Or like the time when those claimed there was no proof Zimmerman had a broken nose and now there is a medical record of it.

What about the time people claimed Martin showed no signs of a fight and now the autopsy shows he had skinned knuckles.

Plenty of other examples of "hyperbole" by the media and those who believe that garbage.

The wounds to his head have been grossly exaggerated by the Zimmerbots, if they had been half as bad as the rednecks have claimed, he would have left the crime scene on a gurney.

Can you please point to the relevant legal documents that support the claims that I have highlighted?

 

[JR33]

Check recent news. There have been reports on this.

 

[Kakapo Dundee]

I'll ask again..............

Can you please point to the relevant legal documents that support the claims?

 

[harley]

Wow, can you read? It's all over the news. There is a medical report and autopsy report that show these things.

 

[retro]

Wow, can you read? It's all over the news. There is a medical report and autopsy report that show these things.

Wow... can you stick to one account?

 

[Mercury]

Wow... can you stick to one account?

:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap:clap

 

[Big Al1]

You would really have to have your head in the sand to not know the medical report and autopsy report have been leaked.

 

[retro]

You would really have to have your head in the sand to not know the medical report and autopsy report have been leaked.

and you'd really have to have your head in the sand to not know that you're yet another sock puppet