Martin/Zimmerman-----Poll

[The Man]

He listened to the same 911 calls as the rest of us yet he absolutely hears what he wants to hear. That should say all there is... He keeps going on about people who have their mind made up when it's him that can't see past his prejudice.

The evidence shows blood and wounds on his head...unavailable by listening to the 911 tape.
Are you claiming there is something on the 911 tape to show I should doubt the wounds?

 

[retro]

The evidence shows blood and wounds on his head...unavailable by listening to the 911 tape.
Are you claiming there is something on the 911 tape to show I should doubt the wounds?

What exactly does that have to do with the price of tea in China? Whether or not Zimmerman had wounds is irrelevant when determining who initiated the altercation. The fact remains that if Zimmerman hadn't decided to play vigilante and follow Trayvon Martin, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

 

[The Man]

They're very close to being 100% accurate and have been used in court previously as far as I know.



Dude... you just said that this video was better quality than the other video, and now you're saying, "DUH" to it being the same video. Do you honestly pay attention to the things that you say?



If there were two people involved in the altercation, and Zimmerman's voice has been ruled out, logic dictates that the other voice belongs to Trayvon Martin. Unless your argument is that there was a third person yelling and screaming for help.



Wow... congratulations, you scored "borderline gifted". I'm not turning this into an intelligence pissing contest, and I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't respond to this (because it has nothing to do with the subject at hand)... but for the sake of comparison, I scored a 157 when I was tested in high school.

They're very close to being 100% accurate and have been used in court previously as far as I know.

They are not 100 percent accurate..especially a scream

Dude... you just said that this video was better quality than the other video, and now you're saying, "DUH" to it being the same video. Do you honestly pay attention to the things that you say?

You stated camera...pay attention.

If there were two people involved in the altercation, and Zimmerman's voice has been ruled out, logic dictates that the other voice belongs to Trayvon Martin. Unless your argument is that there was a third person yelling and screaming for help.

It hasnt been ruled out...it was based on odds

Wow... congratulations, you scored "borderline gifted". I'm not turning this into an intelligence pissing contest, and I'd appreciate it if you wouldn't respond to this (because it has nothing to do with the subject at hand)... but for the sake of comparison, I scored a 157 when I was tested in high school

Bravo..provide documentation and join the top 10 percent club. I might buy you a drink if we cross paths.

 

[retro]

They are not 100 percent accurate..especially a scream

Provide your proof for that, because everything I've read states very much the opposite.

You stated camera...pay attention.

Video camera. The ABC video and the still shot that's been "enhanced" CAME FROM THE SAME GODDAMN CAMERA. Pay the fuck attention or don't bother responding.

It hasnt been ruled out...it was based on odds

If two people were involved, and Zimmerman was ruled out (which he was, if you'd pay attention), then logic dictates it was Trayvon Martin screaming.

Bravo..provide documentation and join the top 10 percent club. I might buy you a drink if we cross paths.

I have no interest in joining Mensa to be honest... no point in spending the money to be a part of a pointless smart person's club. There are far better things that I could spend my money on.

 

[The Man]

What exactly does that have to do with the price of tea in China? Whether or not Zimmerman had wounds is irrelevant when determining who initiated the altercation. The fact remains that if Zimmerman hadn't decided to play vigilante and follow Trayvon Martin, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

Incorrect...read the law...he can meet force with force...no mention of who is aggressor.
But it doesn't matter as Zimmerman hasnt been proven to be the aggressor anyway...sure he may have...I will go as far to say he might have..but nothing to prove it

Something people are failing to see{I have mentioned this numerous times as well}..it is the law that allowed it to happen...people should be applying their efforts there and not on what happened

 

[retro]

Incorrect...read the law...he can meet force with force...no mention of who is aggressor.
But it doesn't matter as Zimmerman hasnt been proven to be the aggressor anyway...sure he may have...I will go as far to say he might have..but nothing to prove it

Something people are failing to see{I have mentioned this numerous times as well}..it is the law that allowed it to happen...people should be applying their efforts there and not on what happened

Wow... you're completely abandoning anything even remotely resembling logic here now. Let me break this down so that your inferior intellect can grasp the very simple concepts involved. If Zimmerman hadn't decided to follow Trayvon Martin around, there wouldn't have been an altercation to begin with, therefore there wouldn't have been a situation where Zimmerman was put in a position to meet force with force. Also, if Zimmerman had initiated the attack (and nobody knows for sure who did), then according to the law, he would not have been legally allowed to meet force with force.

God, I swear... trying to reason with you makes me feel like bashing my head into a wall for a while. Or getting drunk, then I'd almost be on your intellectual level and perhaps I could relate things in a way that you would more easily understand them.

 

[The Man]

Provide your proof for that, because everything I've read states very much the opposite.



Video camera. The ABC video and the still shot that's been "enhanced" CAME FROM THE SAME GODDAMN CAMERA. Pay the fuck attention or don't bother responding.



If two people were involved, and Zimmerman was ruled out (which he was, if you'd pay attention), then logic dictates it was Trayvon Martin screaming.



I have no interest in joining Mensa to be honest... no point in spending the money to be a part of a pointless smart person's club. There are far better things that I could spend my money on.

Provide your proof for that, because everything I've read states very much the opposite.

If you have read many sources that state otherwise then provide them..you made first claim regarding accuracy not I grasshopper

Video camera. The ABC video and the still shot that's been "enhanced" CAME FROM THE SAME GODDAMN CAMERA. Pay the fuck attention or don't bother responding.

The camera came from the police station...the original we saw was a recording of a recording.

If two people were involved, and Zimmerman was ruled out (which he was, if you'd pay attention), then logic dictates it was Trayvon Martin screaming.

Assuming he was...it doesnt remove the wounds where Zimmerman got his head bashed and nose broke.{life in peril}
Again read the law..its the law that allowed this to happen

 

[The Man]

Wow... you're completely abandoning anything even remotely resembling logic here now. Let me break this down so that your inferior intellect can grasp the very simple concepts involved. If Zimmerman hadn't decided to follow Trayvon Martin around, there wouldn't have been an altercation to begin with, therefore there wouldn't have been a situation where Zimmerman was put in a position to meet force with force. Also, if Zimmerman had initiated the attack (and nobody knows for sure who did), then according to the law, he would not have been legally allowed to meet force with force.

God, I swear... trying to reason with you makes me feel like bashing my head into a wall for a while. Or getting drunk, then I'd almost be on your intellectual level and perhaps I could relate things in a way that you would more easily understand them.

If Zimmerman hadn't decided to follow Trayvon Martin around, there wouldn't have been an altercation to begin with, therefore there wouldn't have been a situation where Zimmerman was put in a position to meet force with force.

Sounds like something you should take up with Florida lawmakers......read the law

God, I swear... trying to reason with you makes me feel like bashing my head into a wall for a while. Or getting drunk, then I'd almost be on your intellectual level and perhaps I could relate things in a way that you would more easily understand them.

I understand your mounting frustration with your lack of knowledge on the matter.
Perhaps you should go stomp your feet in the Florida Capital building and demand some changes in the law.

 

[The Man]

Your bore me now run along

 

[itsmeJonB]

fair enough
im not arguing it either

 

[retro]

If you have read many sources that state otherwise then provide them..you made first claim regarding accuracy not I grasshopper

Voiceprint analysis is considered to be accurate enough to be used in a court of law.

http://venturebeat.com/2012/04/02/b...-trayvon-martin-george-zimmerman-screams-911/

The camera came from the police station...the original we saw was a recording of a recording.

That is incorrect according to everything I've read. What I've read is that ABC "enhanced" the video. My entire point is the fact that you accept an enhanced video as 100% factual, but you're not accepting a voice analysis as being factual. You're trying to have it both ways, and that is my point. But again, logic is completely lost on you.

Assuming he was...it doesnt remove the wounds where Zimmerman got his head bashed and nose broke.{life on peril}
Again read the law..its the law that allowed this to happen

Again, my point isn't to prove who was in peril or responsible... my point was that you're accepting one technological source as being 100% accurate when it proves what you want to believe. But you're suspicious of another one that shows something that you don't want to believe. But taking your point further, and I've said this already... if Zimmerman initiated the physical altercation, then the Stand Your Ground law would be nullified in this situation, and he would be guilty of 2nd degree murder or 1st degree manslaughter.

 

[retro]

Sounds like something you should take up with Florida lawmakers......read the law


I understand your mounting frustration with your lack of knowledge on the matter.
Perhaps you should go stomp your feet in the Florida Capital building and demand some changes in the law.

My point has nothing to do with the fucking law... Jesus Christ, you're either being deliberately dense or you don't understand very simple concepts.

If Zimmerman hadn't followed Martin, then there wouldn't have been an altercation. I'm not arguing the legitimacy of the fucking law, or how it applies in this case, I'm talking about the fact that if Zimmerman hadn't have followed Trayvon Martin and had instead simply gone home, then neither one of them would have been in a position for there to have been an altercation in the first place. I really don't understand why that's such a difficult concept for you to understand. It's very very very basic logic.

 

[retro]

Your bore me now run along

I apologize that simple logic bores you so much. Your inability to understand the concept of causality is probably why there's such a disconnect between you and everyone else in this thread.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Causality

If Zimmerman had not followed Martin, there couldn't have been an altercation, because there wouldn't have been a physical way for it to happen. Cause and effect.

 

[The Man]

My point has nothing to do with the fucking law... Jesus Christ, you're either being deliberately dense or you don't understand very simple concepts.

If Zimmerman hadn't followed Martin, then there wouldn't have been an altercation. I'm not arguing the legitimacy of the fucking law, or how it applies in this case, I'm talking about the fact that if Zimmerman hadn't have followed Trayvon Martin and had instead simply gone home, then neither one of them would have been in a position for there to have been an altercation in the first place. I really don't understand why that's such a difficult concept for you to understand. It's very very very basic logic.

You are wasting keystrokes ..you just as well save your strength for your favorite pastime of jerking off to my posts.
I pinned you..you red repped me...I dont have discussions with people that possess the character of an intellectual coward.

 

[retro]

You are wasting keystrokes ..you just as well save your strength for your favorite pastime of jerking off to my posts.
I pinned you..you red repped me...I dont have discussions with people that possess the character of an intellectual coward.

You pinned me? So not only are you intellectually inferior to me, but you're delusional as well? I've apparently run so many laps around your limited intellect that you can't tell up from down any longer. So, with that being said... I'm going to be nice and refrain from making you look like an even bigger fool than you accomplish on your own without any outside intervention. Your complete unwillingness to understand the concept of causality, along with the inability to make arguments based in fact and reason make this discussion an exercise in futility for me. Hell, it makes it an exercise in futility for anyone that has an intellectual capacity greater than a squirrel. I'm reminded of the old saying to not get into arguments with the intellectually inferior, because they'll simply drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience. I don't know if there's ever been a situation here that better illustrates that concept than this one.

Good day sir, enjoy having the last word where you claim yet another non-existent victory.

 

[The Man]

Attention..this is not a response to you retro.

For those with a brain lets get back to basics again shall we.

The screaming...while it might be nice for the theorists that the screaming is Martins it changes nothing.{read on}
There was a 48 percent match for it being Zimmermans...not bad considering it was panic terror screaming on the audio{regardless of who it belonged to}.
I watched a demonstration of the software...a voice to voice sample of the same persons voice "showing off" the software in the demo video yielded in the 80s percentage wise...I expect they used their best for the demonstration and common results will be lower....They also stated its not evidence but is only to aid in reducing groups of suspects in a crime so an actual analyst has less to contend with while doing comparisons....so in other words if you had a group of 30 with voice to voice the software would weed it down to a much lower number ,then the expert does the rest
Lets face it screams are not voice..therefore 48 percent is good...also noted is they failed to show what the results are of 2 different people as a percentage match.
True voice matching is still done by the human as stated in the demonstration...the software is only to weed out the obvious for large groups.....A true voice analysis is done by the human as said and not software..so therefore a true voice analyst does not use the software to make a decision/ nor would he need it if there was only a group of 2 to compare as there is no weeding to do.
Either way good luck proving who the screams belong to as compared to voice to 12 jurors {without the software}..The states experts will say Martin and the defense experts will say Zimmerman...the jurors will go with Zimmerman as he is the one that got his ass whipped with witnesses saying he was on the bottom during the screaming...The state will look like desperate pricks and ruin the credibility of anything they actually have useful...So forget the voice match shit...it means nothing even if it is martins as the state will look like desperate dicks...unless *go to kindness paragraph*


The fact remains that Zimmerman got his ass whipped and shot Martin.
The screaming even if it did belong to martin doesnt "squash" Zimmermans ass whipping..he can still meet force with force...the Florida law does not state he has to retreat....sucks as it may..it is what it is..thus the whining of "arrest Zimmerman" is due to a lack of understanding of what applies...they will have to think of another way to arrest him if they choose

Also theorists you have failed to explain below
Witnesses heard the screaming while Zimmerman was on the bottom, but in the slight chance in hell it was Martins it changes nothing as you can scream help all you wish as you beat someones ass....Who knows maybe Zimmerman grabbed martin and martin freaked out and stomped his ass.

Out of kindness I will add:
Your best bet theorists is to say Zimmerman pulled the pistol...Martin freaked and was screaming while he beat his ass{which is the only thing that could make sense}given the witnesses /anything less is just a waste of my time for discussion purposes if you want to claim Martin is the one screaming.

The video..we have to be careful with the word enhanced..as it can imply something added that wasnt there.
The 2nd video is much better quality...simple.
As many fucking dicks as we have on the internet not one fucking dick could play with the first video enough to come up with the what the second video reveals....some dick would have already pulled up the details with the first video if possible...the second video is of much better quality if you want to argue otherwise/it looks rather silly to be honest

Lets face it everything stated from the original stories has been turning out to be false..why should it be different now?
A small group of actual racists created the false news in the beginning ...wake the fuck up...There is no conspiracy.

Oh and fuck...Zimmerman shouldn't have went to see where Martin went....Unless its a felony it doesnt matter.

 

[Panacea]

The poll options are mostly too loaded and biased to be taken seriously :tooth

 

[All Else Failed]

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/04/02/hd-zimmerman-head-gash-abc

 

[Tim]

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Journalism/2012/04/02/hd-zimmerman-head-gash-abc

I thought he was dead...


anyway, one bloody head doesn't compare to a lethal bullet wound.

one bloody head does not prove self defense. You can run up behind me and tackle me to the ground, I end up getting the better of you and you shot me. You did NOT shoot me in self defense. Again I will say that you CANNOT claim self defense if you are the one that was the cause of the altercation which Zimmerman clearly was.

 

[All Else Failed]

anyway, one bloody head doesn't compare to a lethal bullet wound.

well it certainly helps his argument for a defensive shot taken


and there is not clear if Zimmerman caused the altercation that resulted in trayvon's shooting


following someone and asking what they are doing is not illegal, and is not an altercation