Martin/Zimmerman-----Poll

[All Else Failed]

they don't have to be life threatening

not sure why you think they do

 

[Minderella]

I can't say that I would have done the things that led up to the final confrontation, because we still don't know EXACTLY what happened--I will say that if I (male or female) were on the ground getting beat up, with my head possibly being banged off the pavement, and I didn't know the individual, I sure as shit would fear for my life and do anything I could to protect myself--including using a gun, if I had one in my possession.

 

[Tangerine]

they don't have to be life threatening

not sure why you think they do

Did I say they had to be?

 

[Kakapo Dundee]

they don't have to be life threatening

not sure why you think they do

Can you please stop switching from hyperbole to literalism and back ? It's getting frustrating. If your main debating technique is going to be hyperbole, please don't wilfully misinterpret the responses made in kind.

 

[Johnfromokc]

I can't say that I would have done the things that led up to the final confrontation, because we still don't know EXACTLY what happened--I will say that if I (male or female) were on the ground getting beat up, with my head possibly being banged off the pavement, and I didn't know the individual, I sure as shit would fear for my life and do anything I could to protect myself--including using a gun, if I had one in my possession.

All you would have to have done in your hypothetical situation is what Zimmerman had been previously TRAINED and TOLD not to do. Then, you would not have wound up on the ground getting beaten up in the first place. It's an extremely simple concept.

I'll say it again - Zimmerman had been TRAINED not to follow suspects:

Police volunteer program coordinator Wendy Dorival said she met Zimmerman in September at a community neighborhood watch presentation.

“I said, ‘If it’s someone you don’t recognize, call us. We’ll figure it out,’ ” Dorival said. “‘Observe from a safe location.’ There’s even a slide about not being vigilante police. I don’t know how many more times I can repeat it.”

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/...-martin-shooter-a-habitual.html#storylink=cpy

Then he was told the night of the killing not to follow Martin.

Zimmerman CAUSED this killing to happen by his own actions. Whatever happened that led Zimmerman to shoot Martin was caused by Zimmerman.

For some reason some people simply cannot accept that fact and continue to dream up all kinds of scenarios that might justify this unjustifiable killing.

 

[Minderella]

Yes--I completely agree. Zimmerman is to blame for killing Martin. He pulled the trigger. He started a series of events that led to the death of Martin, yes. He was an idiot for deciding to follow to see what he was up to, yes. But I also happen to think that Martin was an idiot for not continuing to his dad's girlfriends house and getting inside, instead of whatever it was that he did. If I was being followed by some creep, I wouldn't turn around and confront them--I would get to a safe place, and Martin's safe place was extremely close by.

I was just saying, that take out any of the stuff that led up to that, whatever it may have been--and put me on the the ground, someone on top of me, beating me up/or even attempting to--if I were to have a gun, and I felt threatened for my life (which I would) I would use the gun. I would like to think I would just, hopefully wound the assailant, as opposed to killing them. Or maybe just bash them on the head with it. Something that would give me enough time to get up and get away.

 

[The Man]

So?
If someone stole your kid john and the police said "we dont need you to do that"{see where the kidnapper went}
And you did anyway....the kidnapper attacked you..you dont have to let him kill you.

 

[Johnfromokc]

Yes--I completely agree. Zimmerman is to blame for killing Martin. He pulled the trigger. He started a series of events that led to the death of Martin, yes. He was an idiot for deciding to follow to see what he was up to, yes. But I also happen to think that Martin was an idiot for not continuing to his dad's girlfriends house and getting inside, instead of whatever it was that he did. If I was being followed by some creep, I wouldn't turn around and confront them--I would get to a safe place, and Martin's safe place was extremely close by.

So even though Zimmerman caused the whole event, it's ultimately Martins fault for not running home? Really?

Timeline:

7:11 PM: Zimmerman calls 911.

7:12 Phone records show Martins girlfriend is talking to him.

7:13 Zimmerman told to STOP FOLLOWING MARTIN.

7:15 Zimmerman hangs up with 911 operator.

7:16 Martin's phone line goes dead.

7:17 cops arrive on scene and find Martin dead.

Some links discussing the 5 minutes it took for Zimmerman to destroy two families:

http://www.hlntv.com/video/2012/04/02/trayvon-martin-shooting-timeline

This link has a timeline and a map of the complex. I've posted the map and timeline several times, and each time, the Zimmer apologists ignore it and go right back to making up "what-if" scenarios that make zero sense:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-04-09/trayvon-martin-timeline-florida-shooting/54129274/1

I was just saying, that take out any of the stuff that led up to that, whatever it may have been--and put me on the the ground, someone on top of me, beating me up/or even attempting to--if I were to have a gun, and I felt threatened for my life (which I would) I would use the gun. I would like to think I would just, hopefully wound the assailant, as opposed to killing them. Or maybe just bash them on the head with it. Something that would give me enough time to get up and get away.

So what does your ficticious scenario have to do with reality? Absolutely nothing.

The sad part is all of the Zimmerman supporters are making up ficticious "what-ifs" just like yours in order to justify an unjustifiable killing.

 

[Johnfromokc]

So?
If someone stole your kid john and the police said "we dont need you to do that"{see where the kidnapper went}
And you did anyway....the kidnapper attacked you..you dont have to let him kill you.

So Zimmerman was trying to rescue a kidnapped child now? Unfuckingbelieveable.

You Zimmerbigots are amazing in your tin foil hat theories.

 

[Alien Allen]

Hey John

Show me where he was told not to follow Martin

Come on big fella. I double dog dare ya.

Because he never was told to stop following.

There is a difference and it is not insignificant between being told not to do something and being advised that you did not need to follow.

You will no doubt come up with more Zimmerbot responses. But in a court you would lose. The same as when a contract stipulates may versus shall.

 

[Minderella]

So even though Zimmerman caused the whole event, it's ultimately Martins fault for not running home? Really?

I never said anything was Martin's fault. Zimmerman killed Martin, that is indisputable. I'm simply saying I think they were both idiots with respect to certain things they did or didn't do. None of that changes the fact that Zimmerman killed Martin.

So what does your ficticious scenario have to do with reality? Absolutely nothing.

The sad part is all of the Zimmerman supporters are making up ficticious "what-ifs" just like yours in order to justify an unjustifiable killing.

It has nothing to do with the story no, I was (mistakenly, apparently) trying to offer an opinion related to Tangerine's statement about Zimmerman's wounds. I was just trying to say that if I felt like my life was in danger, no matter how bad my injuries were at that time, I would try to protect myself--using a gun if necessary. Excuse me if that wasn't an appropriate thing to add to the conversation.

I am in NO WAY trying to excuse Zimmerman for killing Martin. But my opinion slightly differs from yours. But I DO think Zimmerman should be "punished" for this incident, and if it goes to trial--I'm sure that he will be punished in accordance with the law and with ALL of the evidence.

 

[The Man]

So Zimmerman was trying to rescue a kidnapped child now? Unfuckingbelieveable.

You Zimmerbigots are amazing in your tin foil hat theories.

Did anyone say Zimmerman was rescuing a kidnapped child..NO

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So?
If someone stole your kid john and the police said "we dont need you to do that"{see where the kidnapper went}
And you did anyway....the kidnapper attacked you..you dont have to let him kill you.
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So John try answering the question ....Are you required to let the kidnapper kill you?

 

[Johnfromokc]

More twisted asshattery disguised as logic. You just twist and shout to prove Zimmermen innocent and you just don't realize how ignorant it sounds. I can only conclude your latent bigotry is causing you to abandon common sense Allen.

Hey John

Show me where he was told not to follow Martin

Come on big fella. I double dog dare ya.

Because he never was told to stop following.

There is a difference and it is not insignificant between being told not to do something and being advised that you did not need to follow.

You will no doubt come up with more Zimmerbot responses. But in a court you would lose. The same as when a contract stipulates may versus shall.

I'll post this again, although I know you Zimmerbigots will continue to ignore it:

I'll say it again - Zimmerman had been TRAINED not to follow suspects:

Police volunteer program coordinator Wendy Dorival said she met Zimmerman in September at a community neighborhood watch presentation.

“I said, ‘If it’s someone you don’t recognize, call us. We’ll figure it out,’ ” Dorival said. “‘Observe from a safe location.’ There’s even a slide about not being vigilante police. I don’t know how many more times I can repeat it.”

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/2012/03/1...#storylink=cpy


Then he was told the night of the killing not to follow Martin.

So if that's not outright being told to not to follow Martin then I guess in your typical Zimmerbigot fashion you are using logic along the lines of "it depends on what the meaning of the word is is."

Do you have any idea how fucking idiotic your argument is Allen? I'm truly losing patience with this type of bigoted fucktardery.

This is how you Zimmerbigots look to rational people:

 

[The Man]

So even though Zimmerman caused the whole event, it's ultimately Martins fault for not running home? Really?

Timeline:

7:11 PM: Zimmerman calls 911.

7:12 Phone records show Martins girlfriend is talking to him.

7:13 Zimmerman told to STOP FOLLOWING MARTIN.

7:15 Zimmerman hangs up with 911 operator.

7:16 Martin's phone line goes dead.

7:17 cops arrive on scene and find Martin dead.

Some links discussing the 5 minutes it took for Zimmerman to destroy two families:

http://www.hlntv.com/video/2012/04/02/trayvon-martin-shooting-timeline

This link has a timeline and a map of the complex. I've posted the map and timeline several times, and each time, the Zimmer apologists ignore it and go right back to making up "what-if" scenarios that make zero sense:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/story/2012-04-09/trayvon-martin-timeline-florida-shooting/54129274/1



So what does your ficticious scenario have to do with reality? Absolutely nothing.

The sad part is all of the Zimmerman supporters are making up ficticious "what-ifs" just like yours in order to justify an unjustifiable killing.

If you want to get technical John the parents caused the events by having babies john.
It doesnt matter if George was in the housing complex John
What matters John is when it became a deadly fight and if it was a justified shooting for the circumstances.

If he had not got his head smashed I would have to agree that it wasnt justified.
But put yourself on the bottom getting beat up and your head smashed you will think much differently.

 

[The Man]

More twisted asshattery disguised as logic. You just twist and shout to prove Zimmermen innocent and you just don't realize how ignorant it sounds. I can only conclude your latent bigotry is causing you to abandon common sense Allen.



I'll post this again, although I know you Zimmerbigots will continue to ignore it:

I'll say it again - Zimmerman had been TRAINED not to follow suspects:




So if that's not outright being told to not to follow Martin then I guess in your typical Zimmerbigot fashion you are using logic along the lines of "it depends on what the meaning of the word is is."

Do you have any idea how fucking idiotic your argument is Allen? I'm truly losing patience with this type of bigoted fucktardery.

This is how you Zimmerbigots look to rational people:

Show where george followed him?
Even if you could it doesn't give Martin a right to try and kill the watchman

 

[Johnfromokc]

Just when you think the Zimmerbigots couldn't post anything more idiotic - they prove they are capable of stupidity on an epic level.

 

[The Man]

Having trouble responding to the questions John?
Too hard for you?

 

[Johnfromokc]

Having trouble responding to the questions John?
Too hard for you?

Nope. All you fictitious scenario's are too goddamned stupid to merit a response. :24:

You have no clue how laughable the shit you post has become.

 

[The Man]

Still refuse to respond..why is that John?

 

[The Man]

So John you are claiming that George followed martin...but yet havent proven such.
Also John..would that give martin the right to try and kill the watchman?{if he followed him}
Simple yes or no will suffice