Martin/Zimmerman-----Poll

[Tim]

And remember - when you're a bigot and you know it, make shit up to defend the killer of a black minor. No reasoning or common sense required.

Rock on Zimmerbigots. :rockon:

We are better off with him gone. I mean he was casing the homes and it was only a matter of time before he robbed them. His Father's girlfriends house was probably filled with stolen goods and they were looking for more before his welfare check came in. Besides, he was a menace to society trying to kill random watchmen, hell it was only a matter of time before he went after real cops.







:sarcasm

 

[Joe the meek]

And remember - when you're a bigot and you know it, make shit up to defend the killer of a black minor.

I think one could argue that anyone breathing is a bigot to some extent.

 

[The Man]

Losing a brawl that you started? Shoot him!

Evidence that he started a brawl?

 

[Tim]

Evidence that he started a brawl?

Evidence that he didn't

 

[The Man]

And remember - when you're a bigot and you know it, make shit up to defend the killer of a black minor. No reasoning or common sense required.

Rock on Zimmerbigots. :rockon:

What has zimmerman made up?
Let me guess the gashes on his head?

 

[The Man]

Evidence that he didn't

You have to have evidence he did...not evidence he didnt .

 

[The Man]

We are better off with him gone. I mean he was casing the homes and it was only a matter of time before he robbed them. His Father's girlfriends house was probably filled with stolen goods and they were looking for more before his welfare check came in. Besides, he was a menace to society trying to kill random watchmen, hell it was only a matter of time before he went after real cops.







:sarcasm

He was willing to kill the watchman..that much we do know

 

[Tim]

He was willing to kill the watchman..that much we do know

I really wish you would stop calling him the watchman like it means something. He WAS NOT on watch that night.

You keep saying it like it means something.

Should we keep referring to Martin as the innocent kid? or the victim?

 

[Joe the meek]

I really wish you would stop calling him the watchman like it means something. He WAS NOT on watch that night.

Man, made me think of a summer job in college I long forgot about.

I can proudly say I carried a Detex clock!!!!

Still remember walking those halls late nights waiting for the axe man to pop out and take me out like they do in the horror movies.

Reminiscing over, CARRY ON!

 

[The Man]

I really wish you would stop calling him the watchman like it means something. He WAS NOT on watch that night.

You keep saying it like it means something.

Should we keep referring to Martin as the innocent kid? or the victim?

He was the watchman for the community.
Always on watch tim...thats what they do.
Martin wasnt a kid..tim he was a man...A man that was willing to smash a watchmans head in on the sidewalk.
Not the innocent kid the media portrayed as that 12 year old kid who got slayed by a crazed white man for no reason.

 

[The Man]

Actually, The "Man" is saying that he shouldn't have been charged or arrested, let alone face trial.

Not with murder.
There is nothing to show he went to go murder Martin.
I could almost go with manslaughter charges...but not murder.

 

[The Man]

You are right, following someone at night is not illegal, but it's not very smart.
Look at it this way, if I were to start following you around a night and it ended up in a confrontation, what do you think the police would conclude when they got there? Would you tell the cops that this guy was following you and you had a right to defend yourself? Or would you just apologize to the guy following you and admit he had the right to do that?

When does it go from following someone you don't know to stalking which is illegal?

Do you have a right to confront some guy that's following you at night?

Do you have a right to confront some guy that's following you at night?

Are you suggesting now that Martin was the aggressor?

You are right, following someone at night is not illegal, but it's not very smart.

Are we supposed to smash the head of anyone we find behind us in a large housing unit?
How did martin know he was "following him" and not walking to a unit of a friend or his own residence?

Look at it this way, if I were to start following you around a night and it ended up in a confrontation, what do you think the police would conclude when they got there?

Then martin should have called the Police rather than assault him and smash his head into the sidewalk if you want to use the follow claim.

Would you tell the cops that this guy was following you and you had a right to defend yourself?

"Hey cops this guy may have been following me...so I smashed his head into the sidewalk..he is just the watchman..is that cool I need to go now...need to go scope some units."

Or would you just apologize to the guy following you and admit he had the right to do that?

Oh like the watchman that was getting his head pounded into the sidewalk?...."my bad sorry about that"..."I smash every ones head that I think could be following me"

 

[Tim]

..is that cool I need to go now...need to go scope some units.

I like the fact that you don't hide your feelings about what you think of this black "man"

It really says a lot about you, it really does

 

[The Man]

I like the fact that you don't hide your feelings about what you think of this black "man"

It really says a lot about you, it really does

The race card hey tim
Why are you bringing race into it?

 

[The Man]

See tim your problem is you think martin had a right to smash his head

 

[All Else Failed]

Even in the most backward of places, the notion that one skin colour is somehow superior to others is no longer tolerated.
The notion that the average Joe has a right to wander up to a stranger and based on their skin colour, treat them as 'inferior' or 'guilty until proven innocent' has passed into historical oblivion. You talk passionately about a 'lynch mob' mentality against Zimmerman, and yet, in truth there's nothing more than words. As a keen student of history, you will doubtless fully understand what a 'lynching' usually entailed.

Here's the catch: You have no idea if Zimmerman even approached Martin based off of his race. He have no idea of he thought of Martin as "inferior".

You leftists love to race bait all the time because it is an easy way to shut down conversation.

A crime was committed by a 'Negro' as they were commonly referred to back then.
He/she was arrested and held in custody pending trial by the appropriate law enforcement authorities.
An armed mob would storm the jail,often with the passive assistance of the local law enforcers.
The alleged offender would then be dragged off and summarily executed in front of a large crowd, and photographs of the event would be distributed as souvenir postcards.

Yeah I know what a lynching is thanks

If there is no evidence of malice in his actions, he will not be found guilty of murder. Guilty or not, he's not a victim of anything other than his own poor judgement.

I agree.

The majority of civilised people understand that the right to 'bear arms' and the right to 'stand your ground' are constitutional and legal protections. Most of us would question whether they are adequate excuse to go out hunting for troublemakers and shooting them if they resist. It's up to the courts to decide precisely where Zimmerman's intentions sit on that sliding scale.

You don't know if Zimmerman did that. Stop wording it like you do.

which leads to:

Losing a brawl that you started? Shoot him!

You. don't. know. if. he. started. anything.

 

[Aeval]

You're interjecting your own opinion - which is fine, we're all doing that to a degree, but the fact remains that Martin is dead because Zimmerman shot him.

There is no evidence to confirm Martin was "scoping" units - implying he was going to break in to one or more.

There is no evidence that Martin "pounded" Zimmerman's head into the ground - implying a firm grasp on Zimmerman's head and repeatedly forcing it into the pavement. Yes, Zimmerman's head has 2 wounds, neither of which were serious enough to need medical attention prior to going to the police station, as confirmed by a paramedic at the scene.

I can understand your frustration here regarding the media's portrayal of Martin as a young boy, which was false, I think everyone in this thread agrees to that, there's no one here denying that fact, however in the legal sense of the word, Martin was a youth and Zimmerman an adult.

You're splitting hairs with the definition thing of manslaughter vs 2nd degree murder in Florida...they are quite similar

 

[All Else Failed]

We have the highest crime rate on the planet. You're trying to make chicken salad out of chickenshit. We have huge fucked up problems here compared to the rest of the industrialized world, but you like so many Americans are too brainwashed to admit it.

Yeah we have the highest crime rate but that does not change the fact that crime across the board is going down and has been going down since the late 90s.

Don't pass judgement on me too fast. I don't think America is this spotless, pure as the driven snow white knight on a beautiful horse. Sure, I like a lot of things about America and I'd probably like to live here than anywhere else, but America definitely has its problems. We might just disagree what those problems are.

 

[Kakapo Dundee]

See tim your problem is you think martin had a right to smash his head

Whereas your problem is that you persistently use hyperbole. Zimmerman received superficial injuries to his head, inconsistent with your repeated claims that his head was 'smashed' into the pavement.

Trayvon Martin, on the other hand, was shot dead. No hyperbole required.

 

[Tangerine]

How many stitches were required to close those life-threatening gashes in the back on GZ's head, BTW?