Martin/Zimmerman-----Poll

[The Man]

Falsified? :24: Proof?

That's rich coming from you... the man accusing everyone else of having conspiracy theories about this case.

I done posted the links in here 2 or 3 times..others have mentioned it as well with links
Go look

 

[The Man]

If the fight and subsequent gunshot and death was all there was to the case, I would completely agree with you. But there were events that transpired prior to the altercation that cast a shadow on what exactly happened. Let's say that Trayvon Martin just walked up to George Zimmerman and picked a fight with him... Mr. Zimmerman used appropriate force in order to defend himself from the attack. But if Mr. Zimmerman walked up to Trayvon Martin and attacked him, or even provoked an altercation, then Mr. Zimmerman's subsequent actions have to be judged by the actions he made that led up to the altercation. It's not even close to as cut and dry as you're trying to make it. This isn't just about a fight, it's about what happened that led up to the fight, as well as the fight itself and the end result.

And I would agree to convict his ass if that happened...and it may have very well happened who knows.
And only if martin would have just cause to start smashing his head...but "picking a fight"{if that did happened} shouldnt turn deadly.
If you were slapped by someone you dont have the right to kill em by smashing their head into the cement...he doesnt have to just lay there and let you kill him
But we cant say to ourselves...he might have..he probably did,,etc..there needs to be some evidence.

Wrongful convictions is one of my pet peeves....America has had to many

 

[retro]

I done posted the links in here 2 or 3 times..others have mentioned it as well with links
Go look

Yeah sorry, I'm not gonna go back digging through this thread looking for your "proof" of a falsified affidavit. Unless you're talking about where they had it underlined that Zimmerman disregarded being told not to follow Trayvon Martin. As I've stated before, they're going to have to prove their claims in the affidavit, and blatantly lying without being able to back it up is a surefire way to get a case thrown out of court... so either they're playing with fire, or they have evidence that shows that Zimmerman continued to follow Trayvon Martin after that portion of the conversation with the police dispatcher. If it was falsified, then it's going to show up in court, and Zimmerman will be a free man before the end of discovery. Or are you talking about the part of the affidavit stating that Zimmerman "profiled" Trayvon Martin? It's a somewhat charged word... but it also isn't inaccurate. Zimmerman drew a conclusion of what Trayvon Martin was doing based on his appearance, what time it was, and other factors when he had no proof to back any of this up.

Falsified is a very very very strong word to use... and it doesn't seem to fit with what I've read about the case.

 

[retro]

Wrongful convictions is one of my pet peeves....America has had to many

Yet you've just as wrongfully exonerated him.

 

[Kakapo Dundee]

It was reported he was attacked and nothing to show different...how does that equate to looking for trouble

Wannabe cop, wandering round after dark, looking for people that he deemed to be 'suspicious'. Called the real police when he found one, was advised that he did not need to engage.Disregarded expert advice and went looking for trouble.

 

[Kakapo Dundee]

It was reported he was attacked and nothing to show different...how does that equate to looking for trouble

Wannabe cop, wandering round after dark, looking for people that he deemed to be 'suspicious'. Called the real police when he found one, was advised that he did not need to engage.Disregarded expert advice and went looking for trouble.

If stupidity was a crime, Zimmerman deserves to be in jail. He may yet be proven to be guilty of a more serious crime.

 

[The Man]

Yeah sorry, I'm not gonna go back digging through this thread looking for your "proof" of a falsified affidavit. Unless you're talking about where they had it underlined that Zimmerman disregarded being told not to follow Trayvon Martin. As I've stated before, they're going to have to prove their claims in the affidavit, and blatantly lying without being able to back it up is a surefire way to get a case thrown out of court... so either they're playing with fire, or they have evidence that shows that Zimmerman continued to follow Trayvon Martin after that portion of the conversation with the police dispatcher. If it was falsified, then it's going to show up in court, and Zimmerman will be a free man before the end of discovery. Or are you talking about the part of the affidavit stating that Zimmerman "profiled" Trayvon Martin? It's a somewhat charged word... but it also isn't inaccurate. Zimmerman drew a conclusion of what Trayvon Martin was doing based on his appearance, what time it was, and other factors when he had no proof to back any of this up.

Falsified is a very very very strong word to use... and it doesn't seem to fit with what I've read about the case.

Yeah sorry, I'm not gonna go back digging through this thread looking for your "proof" of a falsified affidavit.

Thats how I feel about it..tomorrow it wont matter anyway..I will just have to keep repeating myself.{to everyone else}

As I've stated before, they're going to have to prove their claims in the affidavit, and blatantly lying without being able to back it up is a surefire way to get a case thrown out of court

It should get tossed...should have never have been written.
When the lies are removed the affidavit is worthless.
I would have let him walk that day.

IMO they should have waited and kept investigating....its nothing unusual to try someone for murder years later..after something emerges etc...guy admits it to the wrong person etc.

 

[The Man]

Wannabe cop, wandering round after dark, looking for people that he deemed to be 'suspicious'. Called the real police when he found one, was advised that he did not need to engage.Disregarded expert advice and went looking for trouble.

If stupidity was a crime, Zimmerman deserves to be in jail. He may yet be proven to be guilty of a more serious crime.

He was the watchman for the community.
It is not a crime to see who is prowling around the buildings....sure doesnt equate to looking for trouble

Anyway I got to hit the sack its 430 am here

 

[retro]

Thats how I feel about it..tomorrow it wont matter anyway..I will just have to keep repeating myself.{to everyone else}


It should get tossed...should have never have been written.
When the lies are removed the affidavit is worthless.
I would have let him walk that day.

IMO they should have waited and kept investigating....its nothing unusual to try someone for murder years later..after something emerges etc...guy admits it to the wrong person etc.

You haven't said what you believe to be "lies"... everything in there seems pretty factual. If it goes to trial and the case thrown out because of it, then Zimmerman walks free and probably gets a nice settlement from the State of Florida for a number of civil violations on their part.

 

[Kakapo Dundee]

He was the watchman for the community.
It is not a crime to see who is prowling around the buildings....sure doesnt equate to looking for trouble

Anyway I got to hit the sack its 430 am here

He was/is an idiot. If he had stayed with his vehicle, called it in and waited instead of playing Rambo, the bona fide law enforcement agencies would be dealing with a much less complicated scenario. We will never know if Trayvon Martin had any criminal intent, but we do know that he was unarmed when Zimmerman shot him. It's up to the court to decide based on the evidence whether his actions were genuine self defence, or whether his 'self defence' argument is compromised by his own actions.

 

[Alien Allen]

Wannabe cop, wandering round after dark,looking for people that he deemed to be 'suspicious'.

he was not just wandering around on watch duty. So the start of this is false to begin with.

Called the real police when he found one, was advised that he did not need to engage.Disregarded expert advice and went looking for trouble.

He was told he did not need to follow. Besides there is nothing against the law to follow somebody who is acting suspicious. By the way there is the same amount of proof that Zimmerman started the confrontation as there is that Martin started the confrontation .... Assuming that what is known to the public is all there is which is ZERO. Nobody knows how the confrontation started.

If stupidity was a crime, Zimmerman deserves to be in jail. He may yet be proven to be guilty of a more serious crime.

yeah lets just throw away the key and not even have a trial. The jury of public opinion who have no direct knowledge of all the evidence has decided no trial is necessary. First it was we must have a trial and then it leads to convict the racist profiling wanna be cop

 

[Johnfromokc]

If the fight and subsequent gunshot and death was all there was to the case, I would completely agree with you. But there were events that transpired prior to the altercation that cast a shadow on what exactly happened. Let's say that Trayvon Martin just walked up to George Zimmerman and picked a fight with him... Mr. Zimmerman used appropriate force in order to defend himself from the attack. But if Mr. Zimmerman walked up to Trayvon Martin and attacked him, or even provoked an altercation, then Mr. Zimmerman's subsequent actions have to be judged by the actions he made that led up to the altercation. It's not even close to as cut and dry as you're trying to make it. This isn't just about a fight, it's about what happened that led up to the fight, as well as the fight itself and the end result.

Common sense is not welcome by the Zimmerbots Retro. Might as well speak Urdu to these logic challenged Zimmertoadies.

 

[All Else Failed]

Wannabe cop, wandering round after dark, looking for people that he deemed to be 'suspicious'. Called the real police when he found one, was advised that he did not need to engage.Disregarded expert advice and went looking for trouble.

you don't know if he was "wandering around"

you do not know if he didn't break off the pursuit and actually was going back to his SUV

you don't know if he was "looking for trouble."

 

[Kakapo Dundee]

The Zimmerbots are going round in circles.

It's quite obvious that they are opposed to the logical outcome of this issue.

That Zimmerman should be held to account by a jury.

Before the spoiled little kids who are scared of African Americans all jump in and repeat their baseless 'arguments', I wasn't there and neither were the vast majority of the people who are advocating for either side. The gun laws of Florida need to be challenged in a court of law as much as the man who pulled the trigger.

 

[Alien Allen]

The Zimmerbots are going round in circles.

It's quite obvious that they are opposed to the logical outcome of this issue.

That Zimmerman should be held to account by a jury.

Before the spoiled little kids who are scared of African Americans all jump in and repeat their baseless 'arguments', I wasn't there and neither were the vast majority of the people who are advocating for either side. The gun laws of Florida need to be challenged in a court of law as much as the man who pulled the trigger.

Like I said it has gone from he needs to be tried to he needs to be convicted

If there is anybody with a predetermined opinion it would be those like you and John

Glad you all are not on the jury as the guy would never have a chance at a fair and impartial jury verdict

 

[All Else Failed]

The Zimmerbots are going round in circles.

It's quite obvious that they are opposed to the logical outcome of this issue.

That Zimmerman should be held to account by a jury.

Before the spoiled little kids who are scared of African Americans all jump in and repeat their baseless 'arguments', I wasn't there and neither were the vast majority of the people who are advocating for either side. The gun laws of Florida need to be challenged in a court of law as much as the man who pulled the trigger.

No one is saying he shouldn't be held before a jury, so


????



and if you want to talk about baseless arguments, leave your race baiting out of this




and no the gun laws are fine

 

[Kakapo Dundee]

and no the gun laws are fine

Maybe they were appropriate for the deep south in the 1920's but the world is now a little more civilised.

 

[Kakapo Dundee]

If there is anybody with a predetermined opinion it would be those like you and John

As said, the question for me is more around Florida's ridiculous gun laws. If Zimmerman is found not guilty, then so be it, the law is an ass. 'Reasonable self defence' should not extend to 'shooting an unarmed man when I start a brawl and come off second best'

 

[All Else Failed]

Maybe they were appropriate for the deep south in the 1920's but the world is now a little more civilised.

You're pretty damn ignorant if you're going to stereotype an entire part of the country based off of one man's actions.


You've been making these genuinely absurd "civilised" comments in almost every thread and it only makes me think that you have some sort of abnormal superiority complex when it comes to your little country of no importance.

 

[Kakapo Dundee]

You've been making these genuinely absurd "civilised" comments in almost every thread

really? I've used it about four times, all because it annoys you. I don't have a lot of patience for college kids who think they know everything.