Legalized Racial Profiling- do you feel safer?

[MoonOwl]

that is so a whole nother can of worms, but also kind of goes to my point that if all this other shit is allowed then why can't we just ask for IDs?

It's nothing new down here.

When I was down in Miami helping rebuild after Hurricane Andrew, I was coming back home for the weekend on the toll road. When I stopped to pay the toll, a policeman walked in front of my car and directed me to drive over to the lot and park for a random driver's license & insurance check. I produced both and went back on my way.

 

[skyblue]

how can this be bad?

ok...in britain we have alot of knife crime,stabbings etc......so the police stop and search black kids.....the do-gooders keep crying about it but if most of this knife crime is being carried out by black kids why stop and search someone else?

 

[JanieDough]

I'm not sure where this idea of "anchor babies" comes from, but having a child in the US does NOT grant either parent the right to stay in the US.

In fact, I recently posted about one of my employees who was rounded up in an illegal search operation by a local law enforcement agency (which had no legal authority to do so) and handed him over to ICE for deportation. The guy was a full-time employee working two jobs bringing home 60k a year (paying all of his taxes) to support wife and two kids - both born in the US. Now he's gone, his wife has no income or means of support, so three people are temporarily being paid for by the US Government who were previously active contributors to the economy. The mother will ne deported in the next few months, and their children will remain in the US in the foster care system - still on the US Government's tab - until they each turn 18 and then be out on their own with no family.

How is THIS in any way doing anything to help our economy, our social structure, or improve the lives of anyone?

confused. if he was illegal, how could he be paying his taxes?

 

[Tangerine]

It's nothing new down here.

When I was down in Miami helping rebuild after Hurricane Andrew, I was coming back home for the weekend on the toll road. When I stopped to pay the toll, a policeman walked in front of my car and directed me to drive over to the lot and park for a random driver's license & insurance check. I produced both and went back on my way.

That's totally different. They weren't asking for personal identification, they were asking for proof that you were legally operating a vehicle - which requires a license and insurance.

 

[Accountable]

I don't know enough about terrorist profiling, but I do know that on a commercial U.S. airliner, you are judged by your actions, not your race or religion. You have to do something questionable to be called on it. Admittedly, people of Middle Eastern descent will get more scrutiny regardless of what the policy says because that has been the background of most of the terrorists and it's a natural human reaction, but I'm not condoning it. Just like if I was Hispanic, I'd not like it if it was always assumed I'm a wet back. In the airport I watch tons of people with Middle Eastern or African descent go through the employee line and all they need is their ID, no questions asked.

The tricky, possibly questionable part is what did they have to do to get those cards? Don't know.



If the mother is in the states illegally, so is the child. When they deport her, she can take her son home with her. I admit that if Mexico won't accept the child, then there is a problem, but the pure logic of what I'm saying is sound. If you break the law to enter, your child does not deserve citizenship imo because you the parent are not recognized as a citizen, you are a foreigner illegally trespassing in another country. Illegal aliens drawing off the U.S.'s social structure is a huge problem and a huge drag on our resources. And thousands upon thousands of illegals use this tactic to subvert internationally recognized laws to gain permanent entrance to the country.

Hmmmm. If a parent breaks the law in the United States, he or she routinely loses custody (fairly routinely anyway). The child, being a citizen, could be taken by CPS and the parents deported. Let that happen once or twice and see how popular this anchor-baby thing becomes.

and a police office does have the right to stop you and ask you for your name and address in the very least.

then if they ask you for your ID and you refuse, they can detain you on suspicion.

Suspicion of what?

and if you guys are opposed to this, then you must be opposed to "random" (but we all know targeted) security screenings at the airport.

I am absolutely opposed to that.

 

[Accountable]

Tell you what...

I'll give 500,000 tokenz to anyone that can show me a law where I'm required to produce ID when asked by and officer, while I'm in public and there is no probable cause.

tokenzes for the poor?

yeah Tim pay up.

You both missed the vital caveat.

 

[JanieDough]

Suspicion of what?

Just "suspicious."

You both missed the vital caveat.

Isn't probable cause one of those things the cops always pretty much have or can prove they had at the time they acted?

If it's not probable cause then it's one of those other ones...maybe of a lesser degree.

 

[Tim]

You both missed the vital caveat.

And this is why nobody has the tokenz yet...

And nobody will ever get them because it's not even remotely legal. They will never find a law where it states I must show ID upon request if I'm not doing anything wrong.

 

[Tim]

Hmmmm. If a parent breaks the law in the United States, he or she routinely loses custody (fairly routinely anyway). The child, being a citizen, could be taken by CPS and the parents deported. Let that happen once or twice and see how popular this anchor-baby thing becomes.

Being in this country illegally is similar to speeding or trespassing. Neither of which would warrant losing your kids over.
We aren't talking a felony or violent crime.

 

[Tangerine]

confused. if he was illegal, how could he be paying his taxes?

His SS# was apparently fake.

Do you know that the US treasury collects several BILLION dollars every year from people working with improper SS#'s? Do you know that there are also hundreds of millions paid into the system from undocumented workers through the Tax ID system.

The notion that everyone here illegally pays no taxes is a complete myth.

 

[JanieDough]

His SS# was apparently fake.

Do you know that the US treasury collects several BILLION dollars every year from people working with improper SS#'s? Do you know that there are also hundreds of millions paid into the system from undocumented workers through the Tax ID system.

The notion that everyone here illegally pays no taxes is a complete myth.

and i'm sure that NONE of them are getting refunds from EIC...:cool

 

[Tim]

His SS# was apparently fake.

Do you know that the US treasury collects several BILLION dollars every year from people working with improper SS#'s? Do you know that there are also hundreds of millions paid into the system from undocumented workers through the Tax ID system.

The notion that everyone here illegally pays no taxes is a complete myth.

You are absolutely right on this.

If every illegal were to disappear tomorrow, out economy would take a huge shit. It would be less than a month and we would be begging for them to come back. People just don't understand this simple concept.

I guess nobody watched the video of what happened in Prince William county Virginia. They successfully drove out the illegals and their economy tanked. It hurt them so bad that they changed the law back.

 

[itsmeJonB]

You are absolutely right on this.

If every illegal were to disappear tomorrow, out economy would take a huge shit. It would be less than a month and we would be begging for them to come back. People just don't understand this simple concept.

I guess nobody watched the video of what happened in Prince William county Virginia. They successfully drove out the illegals and their economy tanked. It hurt them so bad that they changed the law back.

This is true, 70% of Arizona's revenue if brought in through illegal immigrants, and they are already going bankrupt

this is going to lead it to the next Detroit, only more dry

 

[JanieDough]

You are absolutely right on this.

If every illegal were to disappear tomorrow, out economy would take a huge shit. It would be less than a month and we would be begging for them to come back. People just don't understand this simple concept.

I guess nobody watched the video of what happened in Prince William county Virginia. They successfully drove out the illegals and their economy tanked. It hurt them so bad that they changed the law back.

This is true, 70% of Arizona's revenue if brought in through illegal immigrants, and they are already going bankrupt

this is going to lead it to the next Detroit, only more dry

if yall are for illegal immigration that's one thing

but if you're for enforcing the laws we have right now against illegal immigration that's what this is about.



and i'm not completely convinced that you guys are right about the economy collapsing if illegals left. even if you were, if it meant the crime rate went down and public resources did not have to be spent on people who were here illegally, i would be ok with it.

There's just something WRONG and ILLEGAL to me about people being here without ID or SS#.

If you're illegal you shouldn't be taking some one else's SS#, and you shouldn't be driving without insurance or a license. You shouldn't be able to go to free clinics, or set up a business and make money without using the proper channels.

Illegal or not, you should pay your taxes, not have a fraudulent identity, have ID and credentials for whatever you are doing, etc.

 

[itsmeJonB]

I dont know what has you convinced that the "crime rate" is caused by illegals. if anything they follow the law better than most citizens you may be familiar with in fear of being forced to leave the US, which they came here to support their families to begin with.

 

[JanieDough]

I dont know what has you convinced that the "crime rate" is caused by illegals. if anything they follow the law better than most citizens you may be familiar with in fear of being forced to leave the US, which they came here to support their families to begin with.

it's not just the crime rate

and this is such a tangent


but if you are here illegally, you don't deserve to be here. you should be sent back to where ever you came from - wherever you can live legally

if you want to change the law on immigration go ahead

but this was about enforcing immigration laws.

 

[itsmeJonB]

thats not the issue though its about carding people who are brown for the sole purpose that theyre brown

lets start carding black people too while we're at it

 

[JanieDough]

thats not the issue though its about carding people who are brown for the sole purpose that theyre brown

lets start carding black people too while we're at it

no i think the issue is carding people suspected of being illegal

which people can be carded already if a police office suspects them of something, so why not add suspecting of being illegal to the mix?

it doesn't take away a "liberty"

the only people it will effect is the people who are here illegally

 

[itsmeJonB]

no i think the issue is carding people suspected of being illegal

which people can be carded already if a police office suspects them of something, so why not add suspecting of being illegal to the mix?

it doesn't take away a "liberty"

the only people it will effect is the people who are here illegally

no its going to affect all the harassed legal people who look like the stereotypical wet back the souther states are so goddamn afraid of for no reason

 

[JanieDough]

no its going to affect all the harassed legal people who look like the stereotypical wet back the souther states are so goddamn afraid of for no reason

now who is using stereotypes?

and how is a cop asking for your ID a harassment?