Legalized Racial Profiling- do you feel safer?
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:nod: You're pretty much screwed if you don't produce ID when asked. Depending on the cops mood at the moment.
That's circular reasoning. If you refuse to allow an officer to search your house, he can't then search it because that made him suspicious. It's the same with asking for ID. He needs to have probable cause that you committed a crime.
if they are asking to search they usually have reason or suspicion anyway, and if you refuse, then they will ask a judge for a warrant which in the proper circumstances can be delivered in roughly 45 min.
and probable cause is your refusal to present I.D. according to the Florida statute
again a sort of catch 22, i dont agree with it,..but there it is
tokenzes please
Minor Axis
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itokenzes please
There has to be a quantifiable definable reason, not just a suspicion based on personal preference. I don't think you have proven your point.
[SIZE=-1](2) Among the circumstances which may be considered in determining whether such alarm or immediate concern is warranted is the fact that the person takes flight upon appearance of a law enforcement officer, refuses to identify himself or herself, or manifestly endeavors to conceal himself or herself or any object.[/SIZE]
Yet !
JanieDough
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this has already been asked by Tim and discussed by me.
:cool
It's not a question of whether or not they can technically ask you for ID already.
It's a question of what the law already allows them to do which is ask for ID, and if you refuse to detain you for acting suspicious.
So how is asking people for their ID's on suspicion of them being an illegal immigrant any worse? AND even if it is worse doesn't it serve an ultimate good purpose?
I realize the bigger picture here is to not give up civil liberties like walking down the street without the cop asking you for ID, but is it really that horrible that a cop ask you for ID????
JanieDough
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What's the political buzzphrase? If you're not guilty of anything....................
I like Ben Franklin's better. Those that give up Liberty for temporary Security deserve neither.
Your papers please?
ahhh..... all I have is a pipe.....
from A Child's Garden of Grass album....
JanieDough
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Yeah but it's not like they're asking you personal questions. Name, address, ID...
It seems like such a small thing compared to the overwhelming issue of illegal immigrants.
I mean is walking around without having to show your ID to some one really a liberty? In a country where having a same sex marriage isn't even considered a liberty?
Damn good point.
Me? I'll show my ID. I'm legal. I have nothing to hide.
As for the personal questions, my name and address is on my id. My ideal solution is to stay out of situations where I have involvement with law enforcement period.
What do I think of illegal immigrants? I think they should be rounded up and sent back home. I think the law should be changed so there are no more 'anchor' babies.
I think the law should be changed so that if a Cuban lands on our shores they are sent back to Cuba instead of given passage.
I think employers that hire illegals should get in trouble also.
I remember when Dubya said 'we don't have enough beds to house them all'. Well, those FEMA camps are done. We got beds..... Send em back to where they came and spend serious money securing our borders.
Yeah, like that's gonna happen.... All our non-existent monies go to wars of conquest and other foreign nations and wall street bailouts.........
Just like everything since September 11th. All smoke and mirrors. None designed to truly protect WePeeps.
If they were serious about all this shit we would indeed be profiling in airports cuz that's the sane thing to do. Instead it's all about conditioning us to submit.
pppffffttttt.......
JanieDough
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My thing is this - in a perfect world would we have to carry our ID's or ask people of a certain race to show theirs??? NO
but do we live in a perfect world? No.
Ideally Ben Franklin would be kickass on the dot awesome. But this is a different America from what he envisioned or so everyone argues when they want to change the constitution.
So in an effort to decrease the huge influx of illegal immigrants, I say yes check my ID. I don't mind - because in this imperfect world there are FAR worse things treading on my liberties.
Again, I don't have a problem showing my ID.
I do have a problem w/all the smoke & mirrors that has been passed off as 'keeping us safe'.
JanieDough
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that is so a whole nother can of worms, but also kind of goes to my point that if all this other shit is allowed then why can't we just ask for IDs?
http://carlosmiller.com/2010/02/18/are-you-required-to-produce-id-if-a-cop-demands-it/
Long but interesting video.I guess from this you have to be doing something that would be suspicious to make you become legally detained where I live. Do I get any Tokenz?
I'm not sure where this idea of "anchor babies" comes from, but having a child in the US does NOT grant either parent the right to stay in the US.
In fact, I recently posted about one of my employees who was rounded up in an illegal search operation by a local law enforcement agency (which had no legal authority to do so) and handed him over to ICE for deportation. The guy was a full-time employee working two jobs bringing home 60k a year (paying all of his taxes) to support wife and two kids - both born in the US. Now he's gone, his wife has no income or means of support, so three people are temporarily being paid for by the US Government who were previously active contributors to the economy. The mother will ne deported in the next few months, and their children will remain in the US in the foster care system - still on the US Government's tab - until they each turn 18 and then be out on their own with no family.
How is THIS in any way doing anything to help our economy, our social structure, or improve the lives of anyone?
In fact, I recently posted about one of my employees who was rounded up in an illegal search operation by a local law enforcement agency (which had no legal authority to do so) and handed him over to ICE for deportation. The guy was a full-time employee working two jobs bringing home 60k a year (paying all of his taxes) to support wife and two kids - both born in the US. Now he's gone, his wife has no income or means of support, so three people are temporarily being paid for by the US Government who were previously active contributors to the economy. The mother will ne deported in the next few months, and their children will remain in the US in the foster care system - still on the US Government's tab - until they each turn 18 and then be out on their own with no family.
How is THIS in any way doing anything to help our economy, our social structure, or improve the lives of anyone?
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