How should they Pretend?

[The Man]

it is easy to determine what tax rates should be raised to.

the hard part is the cuts

show me the cuts first

that has never been done before

and don't start with the baseline budget bullshit

start with spending from last year

start with spending from last year

There you go...make due with what they have.

show me the cuts first

I want to see results....what good are cuts if we just spend more somewhere else..its not really cuts.
Just shifting spending from one area to another.
Been going on for decades....I dont trust em anymore...I want to see reduced spending in action rather than promised cuts that dont happen..they never do

 

[Tim]

it is easy to determine what tax rates should be raised to.

the hard part is the cuts

show me the cuts first

that has never been done before

and don't start with the baseline budget bullshit

start with spending from last year

If the economy didn't grow, then you can accurately compare this years budget to last years. If the increase in spending is lower than the rate of growth, then by definition it's a cut no matter how you slice it.

 

[Stone]

How so?

You remember the big fucking Great Recession/mini Depression Bush engineered and all the losses and debts associated with it?
That's how so.

 

[The Man]

You are the guy irrationally arguing for budget cuts and tax cuts.

Your point is?

Budget cuts...damn right
Did you know that spending has increased 40 times since 1960....we can make some cuts in spending.
With reducing spending we can have tax cuts on the middle class

 

[The Man]

You remember the big fucking Great Recession/mini Depression Bush engineered and all the losses and debts associated with it?
That's how so.

And increased spending fixes this how?
Also bush didnt cause anything..it was clinton who enacted policy to to force agencies to accept poor candidates for a home purchase...it just took years for the prop to fall.
Bush signed nothing that led to the events.

 

[Stone]

Budget cuts...damn right
........................................
With reducing spending we can have tax cuts on the middle class

I would like to see budget cuts
I would like to see some middle class tax cuts, also.......but that hasn't been your argument in the recent past.

You've been arguing that our economy is better off by setting up tax codes that favor wealth generation at the expense of the middle class.

 

[Tim]

Bush signed nothing that led to the events.

:24: :24:

You really do live in a fantasy land

 

[Stone]

And increased spending fixes this how?
Also bush didnt cause anything..it was clinton who enacted policy to to force agencies to accept poor candidates for a home purchase...it just took years for the prop to fall.
Bush signed nothing that led to the events.

And increased spending fixes this how?

You'll have to ask someone making that argument, it's not mine.

Also bush didnt cause anything..it was clinton....

.
You're delusional.
Apparently you've lost at least 8 years of your memory.

 

[Tim]

You'll have to ask someone making that argument, it's not mine.

Again, this goes to his lack of reading comprehension.

 

[The Man]

Let me ask you a few questions TM.

1. Do you know what the percentage of federal spending was compared to the GDP in 1960 vs to today?

2. Is spending as a percentage of GDP going up or is it going down?

Did you know that govt spending has increases 40 times since 1960?
Same people, same needs,...same roads same cops same bridges same fires..same shit
You can not apply what you are wanting for a base.
Just because we buy more junk and have higher trading.....does not mean mean our govt needs increase linearly in relation to GDP.
So if I buy 2 pizzas and a 12 pack the govt should spend more money?
Why?
A higher GDP increases revenues but that does not mean the people have a higher need for the govt.

 

[Stone]

I have to log off for a short spell.....TM....try posting something I agree with.....you know, something intelligent




( edit: whoops, too late )

 

[The Man]

:24: :24:

You really do live in a fantasy land

Clinton is who created policy that allowed risks to buy homes...are you saying bush did this?

 

[The Man]

I would like to see budget cuts
I would like to see some middle class tax cuts, also.......but that hasn't been your argument in the recent past.

You've been arguing that our economy is better off by setting up tax codes that favor wealth generation at the expense of the middle class.

My argument has always been to reduce spending..thus we can lower taxes.
If I agreed to tax cuts for the middle class{which I did} how is that favoring wealth?

 

[The Man]

Also you love bird needs to realize bush doesn't set the interest rates on home loans..thats the banking industry.
You figure it out.
"risk" buyers by law...pre bush
Interest rates to keep em coming..banks.

The only thing bush is guilty of is over spending{creating debt}
Rid the overspending policies of bush....solved.
Housing is now slowing fixing itself {although they still want to keep value artificially high to prevent whining of home owners}

 

[Tim]

Clinton is who created policy that allowed risks to buy homes...are you saying bush did this?

If you believe that the crash in out economy was because people bought homes they couldn't afford, then you don't know the truth.

You seriously need to stop listening to the right wing nut jobs that feed you this bullshit misinformation.

 

[The Man]

If you believe that the crash in out economy was because people bought homes they couldn't afford, then you don't know the truth.

You seriously need to stop listening to the right wing nut jobs that feed you this bullshit misinformation.

What legislation did bush create to cause the housing/bank collapse

 

[Stone]

My argument has always been to reduce spending..thus we can lower taxes.
If I agreed to tax cuts for the middle class{which I did} how is that favoring wealth?

Quit posing to the forum......anyone that reads your posts knows you favor wealth generation and argue for cuts in taxation on the wealthiest knowing that their profiteering is not trickling down to the middle class.....I posted the stats on that.

 

[Stone]

If you believe that the crash in out economy was because people bought homes they couldn't afford, then you don't know the truth.

You seriously need to stop listening to the right wing nut jobs that feed you this bullshit misinformation.

There was an element of that going on in home sales, especially in Nevada.
This was essentially why the derivatives were of less than face value to start with.

But it was deregulation and the policy of the Bush admin to ignore high rates of fraud and mortgage
defaults that allowed those market practices and allowed them to continue till the banks collapsed.

 

[The Man]

People were paying double for houses.
Why?
Because the value kept going up.
Safe investment.
Eventually it collapsed.
Bush is not the one that eliminated the safeguards along the way.
The collapse merely happened while he was president.
What did you want him to do...make a law regulating the price of homes?
Or have a nationwide appraisal and change the value of everyone home?

While I am no bush fan...the more you people post the better it makes him look TBO.
He had an economy so strong people could afford to pay DOUBLE the value of a home and were going like hotcakes.
If this money hadnt been wasted on excess mortgage payments..do you realize how much higher {volume}goods and services would have been.
People were spending an extra 9 grand a year on mortgage !!!!!!
Thats alot of pepsi and beer..trips to the zoo...junk at walmart...etc.
There would have actually been a job shortage !!!! had it not been for the housing incident.!!!
When will people realize that tax cuts equals a boom...not tax hikes !!!!
I cant not stress this enough...We need to start cutting nuts if this nation is going to prosper again !!!

 

[The Man]

Quit posing to the forum......anyone that reads your posts knows you favor wealth generation and argue for cuts in taxation on the wealthiest knowing that their profiteering is not trickling down to the middle class.....I posted the stats on that.

I do not want raised taxes...period
I want tax cuts.

Did you know that govt spending has increased 40 times since 1960 !!!!!!
We can cut the budget...and reduce taxes !!

Raising taxes does not cut the budget...it only allows for more spending....of which has increased by 40 times since 1960 !!!