How should they Pretend?

[Alien Allen]

Shouldn't you be working on your end of the world bunker?



You might want to check your facts on this one. Public sector (government) jobs are at their lowest levels per capita since the 60's... and falling. The government is NOT growing, it is shrinking in relation to the size of our nation.

what is your source for that?

 

[Tim]

what is your source for that?

It was based off this data combined with census data

http://www.opm.gov/feddata/historicaltables/totalgovernmentsince1962.asp

 

[Tim]

Ok here is what the stink is about...interest getting ready to bite the ass.

Excellent reason why we should raise taxes. We want to get our debt down

 

[The Man]

It was based off this data combined with census data

http://www.opm.gov/feddata/historicaltables/totalgovernmentsince1962.asp

This is what the census bureau came up with...why is your data different?...and is close to the one I read the other day.

 

[Alien Allen]

It was based off this data combined with census data

http://www.opm.gov/feddata/historicaltables/totalgovernmentsince1962.asp

thanks

you will note that a great portion of that drop is due to a reduction in the military end

the legislative end has doubled

the civilian end rose a bit and than has declined since about 10 years ago

the message there is that the military needs to be looked at for cutting in arms buildup and that there are way too many people working in legislative areas

 

[The Man]

This is what the census bureau came up with...why is your data different?...and is close to the one I read the other day.

21 million of the bastards....and who knows how many pensions.
Am curious what we spent for all these people
About 1 in 15 working for the govt.
we have about 140 million earners.
So seven earners to one govt worker.
They earn more than the average median income.
So about a fifth of your check goes to wages for a govt employee
Me thinks we can get by with less of em IMHO

 

[Tim]

Hey TM, if you could, would you get rid of every pension?

 

[The Man]

Excellent reason why we should raise taxes. We want to get our debt down

Excellent reason to stop borrowing and make with the revenues you have.
They do this shit every year....why has someone not said hey...lets raise taxes and eliminate the debt?
Actually they have...thing is the debt keeps going up.
They dont want to eliminate the debt tim or would have already been done.
Spending goes up every year...there will be no cuts tim...its the same shit just a different year.

 

[The Man]

I do mean you are posting bullshit, TM.......one line of bullshit after another.
You make up a lot and twist meanings and facts to the point you've become a cartoon character in John's cartoons.

You seem to be having trouble following your own sophistry

Here are the exchanges below

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Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
Then lets it fall some more !!!!!
We already agree bush spent to much correct ?
It needs to fall further...way further...as said just because I buy a new car some pizza and a big screen the govt needs to spend to?
Our needs are not higher just because GDP goes up...agreed?
Same roads...same cops...same bridges...same white house.
Spending just keeps going up.
Our needs{govt spending} should only increase with population growth and inflation.
Lets let er keep falling{percentage wise}...thanks for the chart..good news for a change


Quote Originally Posted by Stone View Post
You are posting bullshit.
Have you ever considered relocating to some poverty stricken 3rd world nation where very little changes?


Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
Govt spending has doubled in the last decade...were we a third world country then?
I mean by your logic..if bush hasnt spent so much we would be a third world country.
Go cut your nuts

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[The Man]

It was based off this data combined with census data

http://www.opm.gov/feddata/historicaltables/totalgovernmentsince1962.asp

Your image did not come the link you posted....why the dishonesty tim?

Here is the source of that image

http://www.kevingunn.org/

With that graph about a third of the way down.

You didnt want to link people to the actual site..Why tim?
Although the majority of that page supports what I say...I would not throw it in your face.
I will throw in your face though posting a bogus link and sending people on a wild goose chase.

 

[Stone]

You seem to be having trouble following your own sophistry

Here are the exchanges below

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No, I mean bullshit like how you can't read a graph and determine the red line is the one that's important nor understand that per capita doesn't mean total.
That kind of dumbass bullshit

 

[The Man]

We aren't much different on this.

 

[The Man]

No, I mean bullshit like how you can't read a graph and determine the red line is the one that's important nor understand that per capita doesn't mean total.
That kind of dumbass bullshit

More tripe as expected

Here was the graph I was responding to tim....notice NO RED LINE.
It was related GDP
Another clue that you have no clue what you are talking about.

http://www.offtopicz.net/showthread.php?86726-How-should-they-Pretend/page25&p=2271772#post2271772

 

[Stone]

21 million of the bastards....and who knows how many pensions.
Am curious what we spent for all these people
About 1 in 15 working for the govt.
we have about 140 million earners.
So seven earners to one govt worker.
They earn more than the average median income.
So about a fifth of your check goes to wages for a govt employee
Me thinks we can get by with less of em IMHO

Do you understand the difference between Federal, State and Local employment and that it'syour Federal income tax pays the wages for Federal employment?
There are 3 million Federal employees on that graph, not 21 million and it's been relatively consistent since 1946 according to your graph.
As the population has grown considerably since 1946, that's a decline per capita.
I know, those are big words for you, but they make a big difference in understanding.

This is also why the US shouldn't back slide in education. Those big words sometimes need to be understood.

No wonder you post and I laugh.
.

 

[Stone]

More tripe as expected

Here was the graph I was responding to tim....notice NO RED LINE.
It was related GDP
Another clue that you have no clue what you are talking about.

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Here is the graph you didn't understand and you posted it:

That is just so sad

 

[The Man]

Do you understand the difference between Federal, State and Local employment and that it'syour Federal income tax pays the wages for Federal employment?
There are 3 million Federal employees on that graph, not 21 million and it's been relatively consistent since 1946 according to your graph.
As the population has grown considerably since 1946, that's a decline per capita.
I know, those are big words for you, but they make a big difference in understanding.

This is also why the US shouldn't back slide in education. Those big words sometimes need to be understood.

No wonder you post and I laugh.
.

The graph is for fed state and local yes...the blue line.
And if you learn to read I stated in another post that federal employees had gone down but state and local had went up.
And whether you know it or not we also have to pay their wages.
No go cut your nuts

 

[The Man]

Here is the graph you didn't understand and you posted it:

That is just so sad

Are you ignorant...that graph was not in relation to the post in question
Now go cut your nuts

 

[Stone]

The graph is for fed state and local yes...the blue line.
And if you learn to read I stated in another post that federal employees had gone down but state and local had went up.
And whether you know it or not we also have to pay their wages.
No go cut your nuts

You can't even deny it with a good bullshit excuse....

The issue is Federal income tax and you didn't have a clue as to what the color codes meant nor what the graph meant to start with.......

How long have you been getting away with this bullshit at this forum?
I now see why so many members get frustrated with you.

 

[Stone]

Are you ignorant...that graph was not in relation to the post in question
Now go cut your nuts

Every one reading the thread saw your mistake in comparing total employment to per capita employment....why deny it?
Why not admit you didn't understand the difference between funding for State, Local and Federal employment on the graph?

Why keep making a bigger fool of yourself?

 

[The Man]

here are the exchanges...you are trying to toss in the other graph that does not follow the original exchange.
You really should stop being dishonest in from of the forum.

Do you know that government spending as a percentage of GDP is currently at 23% and falling? Yes, falling.
Do you know that government spending as a percentage of GDP in 1960 was about 19%?

That means government spending has increased 4% as a percentage of GDP since 1960.



And please notice the HUGE spike in spending under Bush and notice which direction it is heading now under president Obama.

and no, I am not happy with our current spending habits and want much much more

Then lets it fall some more !!!!!
We already agree bush spent to much correct ?
It needs to fall further...way further...as said just because I buy a new car some pizza and a big screen the govt needs to spend to?
Our needs are not higher just because GDP goes up...agreed?
Same roads...same cops...same bridges...same white house.
Spending just keeps going up.
Our needs{govt spending} should only increase with population growth and inflation.
Lets let er keep falling{percentage wise}...thanks for the chart..good news for a change :thumbup

You are posting bullshit.
Have you ever considered relocating to some poverty stricken 3rd world nation where very little changes?

Govt spending has doubled in the last decade...were we a third world country then?
I mean by your logic..if bush hasnt spent so much we would be a third world country.
Go cut your nuts

I do mean you are posting bullshit, TM.......one line of bullshit after another.
You make up a lot and twist meanings and facts to the point you've become a cartoon character in John's cartoons.

You seem to be having trouble following your own sophistry

Here are the exchanges below

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Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
Then lets it fall some more !!!!!
We already agree bush spent to much correct ?
It needs to fall further...way further...as said just because I buy a new car some pizza and a big screen the govt needs to spend to?
Our needs are not higher just because GDP goes up...agreed?
Same roads...same cops...same bridges...same white house.
Spending just keeps going up.
Our needs{govt spending} should only increase with population growth and inflation.
Lets let er keep falling{percentage wise}...thanks for the chart..good news for a change


Quote Originally Posted by Stone View Post
You are posting bullshit.
Have you ever considered relocating to some poverty stricken 3rd world nation where very little changes?


Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
Govt spending has doubled in the last decade...were we a third world country then?
I mean by your logic..if bush hasnt spent so much we would be a third world country.
Go cut your nuts

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No, I mean bullshit like how you can't read a graph and determine the red line is the one that's important nor understand that per capita doesn't mean total.
That kind of dumbass bullshit

More tripe as expected

Here was the graph I was responding to tim....notice NO RED LINE.
It was related GDP
Another clue that you have no clue what you are talking about.

http://www.offtopicz.net/showthread.php?86726-How-should-they-Pretend/page25&p=2271772#post2271772