How far is too far?

[Dodge_Sniper]

True. The Christian religion is supposed to preach forgiveness, and thus has no room for hatred.

What if somebody burns your daughter and rapes your...scratch that, reverse it.

 

[All Else Failed]

I don't know why you guys are saying the bible can be taken "any way you like". If its the word of god you have to accept it the way its written or you're nothing but a heretic for subjectively/half way following god's commands. IF you believe in that thing.

 

[Dodge_Sniper]

Then call me a heretic

 

[BadBoy@TheWheel]

To me it has never been about COMMANDING anything. Someone can give you a direction on how to use a hammer, but it makes no sense unless you pick it up and experience it for yourself.

That should be how theology works. It can be a tool, or a weapon. The choice is always ours to make.

 

[boxer810]

I know what you said, but other's in here have said the Bible encourages homophobia and whatnot. My post really wasn't directed at you, my bad. Thanks for answering some of the things I wasn't too sure about.

It's all good...I'm glad that I could help you!

 

[All Else Failed]

To me it has never been about COMMANDING anything. Someone can give you a direction on how to use a hammer, but it makes no sense unless you pick it up and experience it for yourself.

That should be how theology works. It can be a tool, or a weapon. The choice is always ours to make.

The bible is pretty distinct about what god wants you to do. People just simply either do not know enough about their faith to follow all of it or they do and just don't like certain parts and only follow some of it. In the end, religious people just make up their own rules and stick some religious stuff in here and there and live their lives.

God has a plan, and he has spoken through the bible and his son to give us those commands (apparently). If you do not follow them, you really aren't following god. You're cherry picking beliefs.

 

[BadBoy@TheWheel]

The bible is pretty distinct about what god wants you to do. People just simply either do not know enough about their faith to follow all of it or they do and just don't like certain parts and only follow some of it. In the end, religious people just make up their own rules and stick some religious stuff in here and there and live their lives.

God has a plan, and he has spoken through the bible and his son to give us those commands (apparently). If you do not follow them, you really aren't following god. You're cherry picking beliefs.

To me it appears that GOD is clear on what his plans and punishments are, and that he is the final judge. HOWEVER, if you follow the New Book, it is clearly stated that you are forgiven....Regardless. I do not recall Jesus killing anyone in that story...I'll go back and check, but I do not recall it.

 

[All Else Failed]

To me it appears that GOD is clear on what his plans and punishments are, and that he is the final judge. HOWEVER, if you follow the New Book, it is clearly stated that you are forgiven....Regardless. I do not recall Jesus killing anyone in that story...I'll go back and check, but I do not recall it.

Thats what I was talking about. God/Jesus is VERY clear on what he wants us to do.

 

[boxer810]

To me it appears that GOD is clear on what his plans and punishments are, and that he is the final judge. HOWEVER, if you follow the New Book, it is clearly stated that you are forgiven....Regardless. I do not recall Jesus killing anyone in that story...I'll go back and check, but I do not recall it.

I get where both of you are coming from, but this all goes back to what I was saying before....many of us cannot understand or comprehend that there was in fact a time where when the laws of God were broken, you were punished expediently. And many times the punishment was death. God said in the New Testament though that Jesus' death on the cross was done so that we wouldn't HAVE to be punished like that anymore, that when we sinned we could have the chance to ask for forgiveness. Only if you die without repenting are you then judged before God and then sent to Hell. And I agree with you AEF on the fact that ALL of our beliefs rely on Faith......because without faith in our religion and our God, we have no reasons to believe that we will ever be punished or rewarded for what we've done in our lives....

 

[BadBoy@TheWheel]

Thats what I was talking about. God/Jesus is VERY clear on what he wants us to do.

Exactly, and you can choose to do it or not do it. If you are of the atheist movement, it should really have no impact on your life whatsoever, just wasted in and paper.

Not to be rude of course, but I studied math and science for four years of college, and two years of graduate school, I believe a lot of what I read, and I do think that there is consequence for not following what folks before me learned the hard way.

But I can always choose to tempt fate. That is what free will is about.

 

[All Else Failed]

Exactly, and you can choose to do it or not do it. If you are of the atheist movement, it should really have no impact on your life whatsoever, just wasted in and paper.

Not to be rude of course, but I studied math and science for four years of college, and two years of graduate school, I believe a lot of what I read, and I do think that there is consequence for not following what folks before me learned the hard way.

But I can always choose to tempt fate. That is what free will is about.

No, I think you're missing my point I was trying to make. Of COURSE The bible means nothing to me. I'm just saying that I just don't think you can subjectively follow what god says.




"and I do think that there is consequence for not following what folks before me learned the hard way."

^^^ What exactly does this mean???

 

[BadBoy@TheWheel]

No, I think you're missing my point I was trying to make. Of COURSE The bible means nothing to me. I'm just saying that I just don't think you can subjectively follow what god says.




"and I do think that there is consequence for not following what folks before me learned the hard way."

^^^ What exactly does this mean???

I was referring to science, there, the scriptures if you follow them can be teachings. I learned in college about lot's of folks before me who learned lessons before me. I trust that there are consequences for not following let's say, the laws of gravity, I can have faith that it's true, or no and face the consequences thereof.

That is my point, you can ignore it, and that's okay, or obey it and that's probably okay too. It's all a matter of your perspective. Take everything for what it's worth to you, that's all that matters.

 

[COOL_BREEZE2]

Hard nut to crack Badboy. Warning ya. :ninja

 

[BadBoy@TheWheel]

Hard nut to crack Badboy. Warning ya. :ninja

AEF is great, I love to volley with him. I admire the fact that he is true enough in his beliefs to back them with personal experience and fervor.

I have nothing but admiration for folks like that, regardless of wether or not I agree.

Friendly back and forth to me

 

[boxer810]

This will be a debate that will withstand the sands of time....because it ALL depends on FAITH.....and a lot of pepole have none.....

 

[TheOriginalJames]

How did this turn into a debate about homosexuality and what the bible says of it? :24:

 

[dt3]

How did this turn into a debate about homosexuality and what the bible says of it? :24:

Because if your kids don't go to church they'll turn into gays! :willy_nilly::willy_nilly::willy_nilly:

 

[TheOriginalJames]

Because if your kids don't go to church they'll turn into gays! :willy_nilly::willy_nilly::willy_nilly:

You're lookin' mighty sexy today.

 

[dt3]

You're lookin' mighty sexy today.

Don't waste your time. I used to go to church, and apparently so did you. You're just using this as some sort of pathetic attempt to get in my pants, and there's just no way that's gonna fuckin happen.







Til you come to Florida.

 

[All Else Failed]

I was referring to science, there, the scriptures if you follow them can be teachings. I learned in college about lot's of folks before me who learned lessons before me. I trust that there are consequences for not following let's say, the laws of gravity, I can have faith that it's true, or no and face the consequences thereof.

That is my point, you can ignore it, and that's okay, or obey it and that's probably okay too. It's all a matter of your perspective. Take everything for what it's worth to you, that's all that matters.

But you would be ignoring a lot of god's will if you just take what seems good to you and ignore the rest.

This will be a debate that will withstand the sands of time....because it ALL depends on FAITH.....and a lot of pepole have none.....

Thats not a bad thing.