Good Without Gods

[Pet Sounds]

And there is no way that science can answer moral questions. Even if the science is agreed upon. Most people can agree that drugs and alcohol are bad for your health. They can agree with that science, but disagree about what to do about it. Science gives no instruction about what to do about it. It doesn't say what should be done with the information, it only gives information. Two people could agree and understand the same exact science and disagree what should be done about it. Most people would agree drugs and alcohol are bad for your health, but there would be huge disagreement to ban those things. There is disagreement of what OUGHT to be done about this information, even though they agree with what the information IS. YOU CAN'T GET AN OUGHT FROM AN IS. STOP APPLAUDING LAZY PARROTED ARGUMENTS AND THINK FOR YOURSELF OUTSIDE ATHEIST GROUPTHINK.

 

[Panacea]

Uh oh, he's gone into a capslock fit. Self-righteous rants to beat self-righteous rants aside, I stick by my opinion that morality is not exclusive to god worshiping. It's simple to me, and needs not imply anything else as fact at all.

 

[Pet Sounds]

Uh oh, he's gone into a capslock fit. Self-righteous rants to beat self-righteous rants aside, I stick by my opinion that morality is not exclusive to god worshiping. It's simple to me, and needs not imply anything else as fact at all.

I think you mean demolition of shitty premise. The video is totally self-righteous and fallacious. Care to defend it or address any of my attacks on it specifically?

I am being self righteous and correct. Big difference. My self rightesouness is justified. Anyone who peddles that video and lets it speak for them video is not only self righteous, they are idiotic. I have earned my self-righteousness. I can back it up. That video and anyone defending it, can't.

You're morality is simple to you because it has been beat into your head ever since the day you were born and you never had to think about it. lol at moral autonomy or free will. Both are superstitions. Keep telling yourself you're a good person and guiding your life if it makes you feel better.

 

[Panacea]

I think you mean demolition of shitty premise. The video is totally self-righteous and fallacious. Care to defend it or address any of my attacks on it specifically?

I couldn't be arsed to watch the video, and didn't comment specifically about the video, but the premise of this thread I had comments on. I will leave that to those who watched it.

I am being self righteous and correct. Big difference. My self rightesouness is justified. Anyone who peddles that video and lets it speak for them video is not only self righteous, they are idiotic. I have earned my self-righteousness. I can back it up. That video and anyone defending it, can't.

What, exactly, are you correct about?

You're morality is simple to you because it has been beat into your head ever since the day you were born and you never had to think about it.

You're wrong about this every single time you say it.

 

[darkcgi]

problems is what if you wanted to be raped
then what
and what if there is no one telling us to be good and yet one of us does something good without being told

 

[darkcgi]

lets say man
man1 = 90% of life spent reading GODS word
10% of life eating and bathing and walking
man2 = 99% of life spent on nothing
1% of life spent saving a baby from dying


who is the winner?

 

[Peter Parka]

Erm ok then, please get back to me when you decide which part of this contradiction you want to hear.:wtf:

There is a difference between stating what you currently are doing, and talking about it.

I'll explain the differences to you tomorrow when I get home.

You're welcome. Hopefully you get my point.

Along the same lines as a mob boss doing good by giving money to charity.

I guess you forgot about this in two hours or conviniently thought I'd forget. Put up or shut up time.

 

[Niamh]

problems is what if you wanted to be raped
then what
and what if there is no one telling us to be good and yet one of us does something good without being told

If you want it then it's not rape :/

 

[Joe the meek]

I am being self righteous and correct. Big difference. My self rightesouness is justified.

"Why do you look at the speck that is in your brother's eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye?"

I keep forgetting about that one as well.

CG, nice post, but please keep in mind, some people don't have the advantage to serve others and get paid a pretty penny to do it. Being nice to others in your daily life is a great way to live:thumbup

What would be an interesting study is looking at the correlation between those serving prison sentences and what kind of faith in any religion they have.

 

[Joe the meek]

I don't see where you're going with that statement? Are you saying that people who only give money to charity and not their time aren't really doing any good?

I think it's just as important to HOW you live your life as compared to what you may or may not give money to charity. That said, if you give money to charities and don't kill anyone, does that make your life good?

"Am I my brothers keeper?" Words to ponder.

 

[Niamh]

I think it's just as important to HOW you live your life as compared to what you may or may not give money to charity. That said, if you give money to charities and don't kill anyone, does that make your life good?

"Am I my brothers keeper?" Words to ponder.

I think it's better to give money to charity then not to give money to charity.

 

[Peter Parka]

I see Joe's been back in this thread again and STILL conveniently ignoring my question about his contradiction. I guess that means he knows he's wrong.

 

[Joe the meek]

I guess you forgot about this in two hours or conviniently thought I'd forget. Put up or shut up time.

No Peter, I had to take a short plane flight yesterday, and although I primarily use my phone for work, I've found that it can be a wonderful distraction with reading the news and some internet forums. I really do hate typing paragraphs on my phone though, be it work e-mails or on internet forums. Is that a good enough response for you

Per your request, and this an example ONLY and I'm not talking about myself...

Stating what you may or may not do to try and make a difference in others lives...

I donate two hours a week of my free time at a nursing home.

Talking about what you may or may not do to try and make a difference in others lives...

Since I have a hectic schedule, I try to take a therapy dog to the nursing home to visit people who may or may not have loved ones who visit them. Since I can end up having work to do on Saturdays, I may try to take a day off early during the week to get over to the nursing home, or perhaps on a Sunday afternoon. The visits are just as rewarding for myself (perhaps another topic to debate) as they are for the the people the dog visits. Even in the alzheimer's ward, people seem to remember the dog coming in each week and want to hug her. The people seemed so moved by having a dog come in to visit them that they have asked the nurses to take pictures of them with the dog so they can put the picture up on their bedroom wall. Kind of funny at times because it's at the point where I don't feed the dog on the day I take her to the nursing home because some of the residents will save some of their food so they can feed her. Normally I wouldn't allow strangers to feed the dog, but it makes the resident's pretty happy doing so, and the dog doesn't mind it, so I allow it for the day.

All I'm wondering is what do YOU do each month or year to help those you don't know or have a "cause" that has no affect in your own life. I don't look at you answering my question (as far as what you do on your own dime) as bragging on your end.

God forbid we try to help each other and be nice at the same time.

And yes, I'm still working on my internet skills as far as being nice:24:

Oh, and Peter, you don't know really well if you think I'm ignoring you

Again, part of my point is that most of the people that I know who take the time and energy out of their own hectic work schedule do so because they have faith in a higher power of some sort.

Morals may change over long periods of time within a society, but the word of Jesus Christ does not (although man's interpretation may change). I know, then one could argue who's interpretation is the right one?

 

[Aries]

Half the people that do "good deeds" for others are hypocrites IMO. And half the people that give to charities do it for a tax write off. I say do what you can do to help others less fortunate, even if it's just a prayer for someone else or a donation to a food drive. A grand gesture isn't necessary.

 

[Peter Parka]

No Peter, I had to take a short plane flight yesterday, and although I primarily use my phone for work, I've found that it can be a wonderful distraction with reading the news and some internet forums. I really do hate typing paragraphs on my phone though, be it work e-mails or on internet forums. Is that a good enough response for you

Per your request, and this an example ONLY and I'm not talking about myself...

Stating what you may or may not do to try and make a difference in others lives...

I donate two hours a week of my free time at a nursing home.

Talking about what you may or may not do to try and make a difference in others lives...

Since I have a hectic schedule, I try to take a therapy dog to the nursing home to visit people who may or may not have loved ones who visit them. Since I can end up having work to do on Saturdays, I may try to take a day off early during the week to get over to the nursing home, or perhaps on a Sunday afternoon. The visits are just as rewarding for myself (perhaps another topic to debate) as they are for the the people the dog visits. Even in the alzheimer's ward, people seem to remember the dog coming in each week and want to hug her. The people seemed so moved by having a dog come in to visit them that they have asked the nurses to take pictures of them with the dog so they can put the picture up on their bedroom wall. Kind of funny at times because it's at the point where I don't feed the dog on the day I take her to the nursing home because some of the residents will save some of their food so they can feed her. Normally I wouldn't allow strangers to feed the dog, but it makes the resident's pretty happy doing so, and the dog doesn't mind it, so I allow it for the day.

All I'm wondering is what do YOU do each month or year to help those you don't know or have a "cause" that has no affect in your own life. I don't look at you answering my question (as far as what you do on your own dime) as bragging on your end.

God forbid we try to help each other and be nice at the same time.

And yes, I'm still working on my internet skills as far as being nice:24:

Oh, and Peter, you don't know really well if you think I'm ignoring you

Again, part of my point is that most of the people that I know who take the time and energy out of their own hectic work schedule do so because they have faith in a higher power of some sort.

Morals may change over long periods of time within a society, but the word of Jesus Christ does not.

Isee, you choose to repeat the same old shit which has already been answered without addressing your contradiction.

 

[Joe the meek]

Half the people that do "good deeds" for others are hypocrites IMO. And half the people that give to charities do it for a tax write off.

I agree 100% with your first comment. Per the second comment, personally I've found the tax write off isn't that great. Although you would be dumb IMO not to keep records on your end as far as what you do with your money.

 

[Joe the meek]

Isee, you choose to repeat the same old shit which has already been answered without addressing your contradiction.

You aren't at a pub are you?

I didn't think you would answer that simple question.

God help you if you ever try to write a resume:24:

Hey, at least you can say I was ignoring you know, could you?

 

[Joe the meek]

I think it's better to give money to charity then not to give money to charity.

I agree 100%

But how many people do you think that give money to different charities actually research the charity itself and see what percentage of money being donated is being used for the "cause" compared to "operational costs"?

Some charity organizations have become "big money" and you may be amazed at how much money goes to "operational costs".

By the same token, I realize the same observation can be made about churches. IMO you need to ensure you know where your money is going and how its being used.

 

[Peter Parka]

Ah, getting off the subject by having digs about my drinking again. How predictable.

 

[Joe the meek]

Ah, getting off the subject by having digs about my drinking again. How predictable.

No Peter, just making an observation. You're the one who makes the comments about drinking, not I.

Chicken s*&% that you can't, or won't answer one simple question.

Niamh at least answered the question, I can respect that about him as a man.