for all you atheists out there...

[icecuban]

I'm coming in a little late here, but can't all emotions such as love be broken down to certain chemical reactions due to external and some internal stimuli?

this has got to rank as one of the great questions layed on the human mind. i have to say (during my acid days, i mean....) this troubled me deeply. "is all i am just a heap of chemicals, reacting to the world around me, just a buildup of blocks". but after much thinking, i thought, perhaps all these chemicals and building blocks are just the physical means for the immaterial being to take shape. how does nature know the create things for that which has no material, who told the body to create serotonin, a chemical to make "us" feel good, what else does this chemical do but make the "mind" happy and comfortable. as if it knew it had to please this "something" inside. I'm sure its been said elsewhere that this whole existance around us is just a manafestation of a place or things that have no substance. i like that idea.
good question though, worthy of its own thread

 

[All Else Failed]

I often wonder if there is a force that we have not detected yet that surrounds us, or is within us. It has been proven that we have certain fields around us, like magnetic fields. Who knows.

 

[icecuban]

I often wonder if there is a force that we have not detected yet that surrounds us, or is within us. It has been proven that we have certain fields around us, like magnetic fields. Who knows.

and i wonder those forces can be broken down into even more forces undetected, down and down and down.

 

[All Else Failed]

If there are those kinds of forces, I think they are natural phenomena that could be broken down. Yes.

 

[icecuban]

If there are those kinds of forces, I think they are natural phenomena that could be broken down. Yes.

and there are defiantely things that can be broken down infinatly, which kind of goes against itself since, what exactly war you breaking down if you can never get down to the source?

 

[All Else Failed]

and there are defiantely things that can be broken down infinatly, which kind of goes against itself since, what exactly war you breaking down if you can never get down to the source?

Maybe there is a source in all things? Perhaps a sort of...."energy" or "binding" that holds all things together. This is mind blowing stuff we're getting into. :tongue:

 

[icecuban]

Maybe there is a source in all things? Perhaps a sort of...."energy" or "binding" that holds all things together. This is mind blowing stuff we're getting into. :tongue:

and if there is, i too would have to make a pink smile:tongue:

 

[Magic P]

lol it's something to think about. I am happy the way God makes things mysterious for us so we are not all knowing. The purpose of that is to show his glory and let us explore the things he made.

 

[dt3]

lol it's something to think about. I am happy the way God makes things mysterious for us so we are not all knowing. The purpose of that is to show his glory and let us explore the things he made.

So He likes to show off?

 

[Magic P]

So He likes to show off?

God never shows off. He wants to humble people rather, cuz he knows human nature is corrupted. I mean you wouldn't explain things that your kids wouldn't understand to her. God knows our capacity and there is no need for us to be all knowing.

 

[dt3]

God never shows off. He wants to humble people rather, cuz he knows human nature is corrupted. I mean you wouldn't explain things that your kids wouldn't understand to her. God knows our capacity and there is no need for us to be all knowing.

So forcing us to be humble by showing us what he's capable of isn't showing off?

 

[Magic P]

So forcing us to be humble by showing us what he's capable of isn't showing off?

It sounds like you don't think being humble is a good thing.

 

[Tegan]

It sounds like you don't think being humble is a good thing.

And it sounds to me like your so blinded by your religious conviction that you can't see a logical argument when it reaches up and slaps you in the face. Many people in this thread have made excellent points, and your only responses have been religious rhetoric. As a believer, I am appalled by this form of argument. If all you can do to argue with non-believers is spout religious rhetoric, I suggest you leave the debating religion to people who can come up with other arguments. You aren't going to convince a non-believer of anything by constantly saying "God is good, you're a sinner, be humble, God is great, you're a sinner, be humble, God is good, you're a sinner, be humble", which is all that you have basically said in this thread.

 

[GraceAbounds]

We all make our own choices. One must choose to be humble just as one must chose to be prideful.

 

[dt3]

It sounds like you don't think being humble is a good thing.

No, I want to know why we're supposed to be humble if he isn't.

 

[GraceAbounds]

In my opinion, for the Creator, that is all powerful, to give His creations the choice to accept or reject Him is a very humbling action on His part.

 

[dt3]

In my opinion, for the Creator, that is all powerful, to give His creations the choice to accept or reject Him is a very humbling action on His part.

It's only humbling if people reject him. How is wanting millions to blindly praise your name a lesson in humility?

 

[GraceAbounds]

I can only speak of my own lesson. I have been humbled before the Lord.
My lesson in humility has been a long ongoing process and one that I can not explain in it's full importance with words on a forum. I wish I was talented enough in my writing skills to do so. But I understand now why many can't explain - and why many just have to find out for themselves now that I have experienced my own transformation. There are some things in life that you just have to experience to really understand. Sorry for the lack of explanation you are looking for. It is like an epiphany that you can't put into words.

 

[icecuban]

I can only speak of my own lesson. I have been humbled before the Lord.
My lesson in humility has been a long ongoing process and one that I can not explain in it's full importance with words on a forum. I wish I was talented enough in my writing skills to do so. But I understand now why many can't explain - and why many just have to find out for themselves now that I have experienced my own transformation. There are some things in life that you just have to experience to really understand. Sorry for the lack of explanation you are looking for. It is like an epiphany that you can't put into words.

i agree on its toughness to explain, but it seems, for myself, that the more i reap out of me, the more i get closer, the more i replace good habits with bad ones, the words come easier, and the feelings are transfered in their proper form. Some can say that conveying emotions or experience is near impossible using words, but i say, when dealing with god, anything is possible. some can find out for themselves from hearing certain words. the pure do not choose the words to speak, but are spoken through. when i feel i am not getting my point across, i look inward and think, i know why, cause i havent gotten rid of you (nasty habbit) yet.

 

[dt3]

I can only speak of my own lesson. I have been humbled before the Lord.
My lesson in humility has been a long ongoing process and one that I can not explain in it's full importance with words on a forum. I wish I was talented enough in my writing skills to do so. But I understand now why many can't explain - and why many just have to find out for themselves now that I have experienced my own transformation. There are some things in life that you just have to experience to really understand. Sorry for the lack of explanation you are looking for. It is like an epiphany that you can't put into words.

My question doesn't require you to explain your transformation at all. I just asked if you think god asking millions to blindly bow before him and worship him is an act of humility. If he was humble, he would have no problem saying "You were my creation. Even though I don't agree with the path you've followed, I can respect it and allow you into heaven." But that's not what he says, is it?