for all you atheists out there...

[Peter Parka]

Anyone here think its pretty bad that creationism is going to be taught in some public schools?

EDIT: That story was pretty good, Tim.

Yeah, just as bad as evolution getting tought. There really is no factual evidence for either, both are just theories and I'd like to see both left out of the classroom.

 

[Charmer]

Right now, in my daughter's school, they teach ABOUT different religions in a historical context. I have no problem with that and believe me, I have been monitoring this part of her learning closely.

 

[Charmer]

Yeah, just as bad as evolution getting tought. There really is no factual evidence for either, both are just theories and I'd like to see both left out of the classroom.

I actually don't remember my daughter getting taught about evolution in any grade, so far.

 

[All Else Failed]

Yeah, just as bad as evolution getting tought. There really is no factual evidence for either, both are just theories and I'd like to see both left out of the classroom.

Not really, evolution is pretty much fact. We have transitional fossils and all of that. There are mountains of proof of evolution.

Also, we have to understand what the word "theory" means. It is a theory that we go around the sun for example. A theory is something we label after we experiment with it, test the facts and whatnot. A theory can be fact.

 

[Peter Parka]

That sounds a good school. I have no problem with kids being taught about different religious beliefs nor evolution if it's just tought as a theory, I just don't think schools are the right place to put either of these ideas accross as a viable fact.

 

[All Else Failed]

That sounds a good school. I have no problem with kids being taught about different religious beliefs nor evolution if it's just tought as a theory, I just don't think schools are the right place to put either of these ideas accross as a viable fact.

Evolution is basically fact. Ask any scientist.


Evolution is a Fact and a Theory
The Evolution Evidence Page
Evidence Supporting Biological Evolution | Science and Creationism: A View from the National Academy of Sciences, Second Edition
Evidence for Evolution (Contents)

 

[Peter Parka]

Evolution is basically fact. Ask any scientist.


Evolution is a Fact and a Theory
The Evolution Evidence Page
Evidence Supporting Biological Evolution | Science and Creationism: A View from the National Academy of Sciences, Second Edition
Evidence for Evolution (Contents)

Evolution is not a fact, its a theory, even Dawin on his death bed said so. There is no 100% conclusive evidence for either. Creation or evolution may in fact be right but untill there is full proof of either they should only be presented as a theory.

 

[All Else Failed]

Evolution is not a fact, its a theory, even Dawin on his death bed said so. There is no 100% conclusive evidence for either. Creation or evolution may in fact be right but untill there is full proof of either they should only be presented as a theory.

No really...transitional fossils alone pretty much prove it. Massive amounts of evidence have been collected since Darwin's passing for evolution. Click the first link and read.

 

[Charmer]

I am still keeping an open mind, but to me, evolution has alot more proof behind it than creationism. In fact, as far as can "see," creationism has no proof and reality behind it. (JMO)

 

[All Else Failed]

29+ Evidences for Macroevolution: the Scientific Case for Common Descent
Evidence for Evolution: An Eclectic Survey

 

[dt3]

Hey AEF.... :cliffs: !

 

[Peter Parka]

The fact that either case can be argued for reasonably and without either side looking like a complete looney shows that its still a debatable arguement and neither side should be presented as fact. I personally am undecided about it and have yet to hear an arguement that proves things one way or the other.

 

[dt3]

I think creationism makes people sound loony...like blind sheep...

 

[All Else Failed]

The fact that either case can be argued for reasonably and without either side looking like a complete looney shows that its still a debatable arguement and neither side should be presented as fact. I personally am undecided about it and have yet to hear an arguement that proves things one way or the other.

I'm sorry, but saying "We cam from a magic man that made dinosaures coexist with man and every language, culture and geological mass formed within 6,000 years" isnt reasonable at all. It's a joke.


Look at the evidence for both sides. There is absolutely 0 evidence for creationism at all.

 

[Peter Parka]

I'm sorry, but saying "We cam from a magic man that made dinosaures coexist with man and every language, culture and geological mass formed within 6,000 years" isnt reasonable at all. It's a joke.


Look at the evidence for both sides. There is absolutely 0 evidence for creationism at all.

Dosen't seem any more ridiculous than saying there was a big bang, some fish got retarded and turned into a squirrel thing which turned into monkeys, only the fittest one survived and that somehow made them loose their hair and turn into humans!

 

[All Else Failed]

Dosen't seem any more ridiculous than saying there was a big bang, some fish got retarded and turned into a squirrel thing which turned into monkeys, only the fittest one survived and that somehow made them loose their hair and turn into humans!

Yeah, did you get that from the southpark episode?

I can assure you that we didnt come from fish. Life was a complicated "tree" of different unicellular entities in the beginning. As the environment changed, so did these entities. It can be seen in modern day examples as well ,just look at my links, they are very credible.


Oh, and we didn't COME FROM monkeys. Thats a myth that religious people like to state about Darwin's thoery. Darwin never said we directly came from monkeys, we are only a close cousin that evolved separately from them.


Evolution is simply gradual change over time that is triggered by environmental and physical stimuli. What does creation state? "Well, there was always this magician around and he got bored one day so he created a dude out of dirt. The dude got lonely one day so the magician tore a rib out of the dude and made a woman out of it. Then, they made woopie and populated the earth. (Even though this would require interbreeding, which would never work and would quickly make the entire population die out)"

Now which one seems more credible?

 

[Peter Parka]

I find it hard to see that things happening randomly without intelligence behind it would result in a creation as intelligent as our world

 

[All Else Failed]

I find it hard to see that things happening randomly without intelligence behind it would result in a creation as intelligent as our world

Another myth about evolution is randomness. Evolution is the exact opposite of random, it is careful and gradual processes that are determined by environmental changes. That is not randomness. If you want to know more about it, you can read some of Richard Dawkin's literature.



The "Things are compex so there must be a creator" argument has been refuted for years:
CI101: Complexity and design ---------> CA100: Argument from incredulity
Problems with Creationism

 

[Peter Parka]

How can it not be random if there is no intelligence behind it? Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to prove creationism, I just find holes in both theories, maybe there's a better theory which we haven't discovered yet. *shrugs*

 

[All Else Failed]

How can it not be random if there is no intelligence behind it? Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to prove creationism, I just find holes in both theories, maybe there's a better theory which we haven't discovered yet. *shrugs*

Refer to my links.



But most natural events happen by themsleves without any planning or design. Caves naturally form by themsleves which are not caused by random events, weather patterns carry out by the same idea and so on. In fact, randomness in itself is impossible. Everything is connected through many different means, and anyhting that happens is because of some other event. Randomness would be somehting that happens outside of events that cause it to happen in the first place, which is impossible.