Execution

[All Else Failed]

It's not playing off emotions. It's playing off justice. If you take someone's life away from them, you don't deserve to breathe. You have absolutely NO right to murder someone out of rage, greed, spite, or for any other reason.

If you think you're 'right' for doing this, then the only rights you have are the right to remain silent and to a speedy trial where you should be convicted and your life ended.

You keep talking about rights of murderers over the rights of the victim or the rights of the victims family like the killers' rights are just so much more important.

I'm not playing with emotions, at all. You are using your own heart strings to get in the way of real justice, and you contradict yourself by killing the killer back, transforming yourself into a murderer as well. Hypocrisy can not be tolerated in a justice system since hypocrisy is not real justice.



You said:
"You have absolutely NO right to murder someone out of rage, greed, spite, or for any other reason."

Then why are you killing him out of revenge? Practice what you preach.


I'm not suggesting any rights are above anyone else's. All persons have EQUAL rights, no matter how much emotional crap you have against people you would like to see have their rights removed just because you dislike them. All people, all rights, every thing is equal in the justice system.

 

[Specialized]

Not simple, simplistic, and I highly doubt that, seeing that murder rates don't decrease in countries where torture and inhumane executions are performed

Those countries are not America either.

You're right though, simplistic.

 

[TheOriginalJames]

I'm not playing with emotions, at all. You are using your own heart strings to get in the way of real justice, and you contradict yourself by killing the killer back, transforming yourself into a murderer as well. Hypocrisy can not be tolerated in a justice system since hypocrisy is not real justice.



You said:
"You have absolutely NO right to murder someone out of rage, greed, spite, or for any other reason."

Then why are you killing him out of revenge? Practice what you preach.


I'm not suggesting any rights are above anyone else's. All persons have EQUAL rights, no matter how much emotional crap you have against people you would like to see have their rights removed just because you dislike them. All people, all rights, every thing is equal in the justice system.

Just because you assume I'd put a killer out of the family's misery out of "revenge" doesn't make it so. You don't think it's justified, thats fine. But stop fucking saying "revenge revenge revenge".

A KILLER DOES NOT HAVE RIGHTS. He cannot just leave and go to the market. He cannot just leave and do as he pleases, he is PROPERTY OF THE STATE once he is convicted and placed behind bars.

 

[All Else Failed]

Just because you assume I'd put a killer out of the family's misery out of "revenge" doesn't make it so. You don't think it's justified, thats fine. But stop fucking saying "revenge revenge revenge".

A KILLER DOES NOT HAVE RIGHTS. He cannot just leave and go to the market. He cannot just leave and do as he pleases, he is PROPERTY OF THE STATE once he is convicted and placed behind bars.

No you see, it is revenge. Doing something back to someone of the same nature is revenge.


Sorry to say, but a killer still does have rights, although they are now limited since he perpetrated a crime.

 

[TheOriginalJames]

No you see, it is revenge. Doing something back to someone of the same nature is revenge.


Sorry to say, but a killer still does have rights, although they are now limited since he perpetrated a crime.

Do you ever bother to look at someone elses point of view? Or do you think you're always right all the time? Your opinion on the way I'm putting my opinion is really annoying, because it never ends. You're right. I'm wrong. The judge that sentences a cold blooded serial killer or truck bomber to death is a murderer.

All hail AEFs point of view because it's so correct!!!!

I'm done with this unless you can get off your high horse.

 

[All Else Failed]

Do you ever bother to look at someone elses point of view? Or do you think you're always right all the time? Your opinion on the way I'm putting my opinion is really annoying, because it never ends. You're right. I'm wrong. The judge that sentences a cold blooded serial killer or truck bomber to death is a murderer.

All hail AEFs point of view because it's so correct!!!!

I'm done with this unless you can get off your high horse.

What is with you people thinking I have some sort of super ego when it comes to my opinions? It seems like whenever I tell someone what a word means, somehow they think "its my way or the highway" when all i did is look up the definition of the word....I did look at your point of view, and just because I disagree with it doesn't mean I think all of your opinions are wrong and all of mine are somehow infallible. In numerous threads I have admitted that I am totally wrong on somethings when people pointed the right answer out to me, and I didn't think anything of it besides the fact that I learned fact....



In this case, you are wrong. There's nothing wrong with me pointing this out. Someone who takes another person's life with premeditation is a murderer no matter how you slice it. So yes, the judge and jury would be murderers.

 

[GraceAbounds]

All persons have EQUAL rights

I disagree with this statement. Just like you put it: "Sorry to say, but a killer still does have rights, although they are now limited since he perpetrated a crime."

Someone with limited rights - does not equal - someone with full rights.

All persons do not have equal rights and for good reason.

 

[TheOriginalJames]

Ok. Let me put this another way.

Justified killing - IMO is execution. He was convicted of xxx crime that warrants the capital punishment. I DO NOT BELIEVE this is 'murder of a murderer' or 'revenge'. I believe this is Justice and closure for the family/friends of the victim.

REVENGE would be execution by murder. Like say, if a family member shot the guy to death outside of the courthouse. This is non-justifiable homicide, aka REVENGE.

There is a HUGE difference here and you're neglecting to even bother considering that. So I'm done.

 

[All Else Failed]

I disagree with this statement. Just like you put it: "Sorry to say, but a killer still does have rights, although they are now limited since he perpetrated a crime."

Someone with limited rights - does not equal - someone with full rights.

All persons do not have equal rights and for good reason.

I'm talking about human rights. Human rights maintain while in custody.

 

[All Else Failed]

Ok. Let me put this another way.

Justified killing - IMO is execution. He was convicted of xxx crime that warrants the capital punishment. I DO NOT BELIEVE this is 'murder of a murderer' or 'revenge'. I believe this is Justice and closure for the family/friends of the victim.

REVENGE would be execution by murder. Like say, if a family member shot the guy to death outside of the courthouse. This is non-justifiable homicide, aka REVENGE.

There is a HUGE difference here and you're neglecting to even bother considering that. So I'm done.

Let me ask you this: What separates the executioner from the murderer? How are they different?

 

[Maritxu]

Let me ask you this: What separates the executioner from the murderer? How are they different?

something I have always wondered....

 

[Peter Parka]

I disagree with this statement. Just like you put it: "Sorry to say, but a killer still does have rights, although they are now limited since he perpetrated a crime."

Someone with limited rights - does not equal - someone with full rights.

All persons do not have equal rights and for good reason.

Wow, for someone so religious, you sure don't seem to have Jesus attitude!

 

[dt3]

So yes, the judge and jury would be murderers.

No, they wouldn't be. Our legal system is set up so they aren't. They're following the law that was set up by our government. Legally, they are not murderers. Plain and simple.

In fact, now you've taken away their RIGHT for a fair trial. You call them murderers, but they've never been tried for murder. You've held court in your own little world and decided they are. What about their right to a fair trial???

 

[GraceAbounds]

Wow, for someone so religious, you sure don't seem to have Jesus attitude!

For the millionth time I am not religious.
And if you aren't a believer you have no business judging me. And if you are pay attention to your own walk with Christ or should I remove that plank of wood from your eye?

So is this your best comeback Peter? A comment to try and insult or offend me? You must not have anything factual to say if this is what you are going to resort yourself to.

Pulllleeeeeeeeeeeeeeezzzzzzzzzzzz!
:dunno

 

[All Else Failed]

No, they wouldn't be. Our legal system is set up so they aren't. They're following the law that was set up by our government. Legally, they are not murderers. Plain and simple.

In fact, now you've taken away their RIGHT for a fair trial. You call them murderers, but they've never been tried for murder. You've held court in your own little world and decided they are. What about their right to a fair trial???

You are assuming that everything the law states is right.

 

[All Else Failed]

For the millionth time I am not religious.
And if you aren't a believer you have no business judging me. And if you are pay attention to your own walk with Christ or should I remove that plank of wood from your eye?

So is this your best comeback Peter? A comment to try and insult or offend me? You must not have anything factual to say if this is what you are going to resort yourself to.

Pulllleeeeeeeeeeeeeeezzzzzzzzzzzz!
:dunno

I don't see how you are not....just saying.

 

[dt3]

You are assuming that everything the law states is right.

Well, it is the law. Like it or not, agree with it or not, it's the law.

 

[GraceAbounds]

I don't see how you are not....just saying.

Religion is something man created. I'm not into legalistic religion.

I'm a spiritual being, not a religious being. I've explained this in more detail in other posts of mine.



back on topic now . . .

:woot:

 

[groundpounder]

It seems that everyone here supports the death penalty, supports it as a sort of revenge.

There are certain motherfuckers that DESERVE to die for what they did. If that reckoning has the flavor of revenge to it, so be it. I don't see that as a bad thing. Justifiable revenge, if you want to call it that.

For instance, this motherfucker deserves to die
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and if you call it revenge, so be it. If you call it justice, so be it. Just don't call it murder, because that's what HE did.
Calling execution state-sponsored murder is political. Arguably, so it calling it justifiable revenge, so I'll hand you that. But what exectuion is, regardless of its politically branded moniker, is the highest order of punishment. It's closure. There is no more after that. Life in prison carries tomorrow. There is no tomorrow in execution. It's the end. And that's what some people deserve.

People like John Evander Couey, who kidnapped from her own bed a nine year old girl named Jessica Lunsford, repeatedly raped her, kept her hidden in a closet for three days, then bound her arms together with speaker wire, placed her in two plastic garbage bags and buried her ALIVE. When authorities found her body, they discovered the skeletonized remains of two of her fingers poked through the bags, because she tried to dig her way out before she asphixyated.

Now Tim, et al you tell me if JEC did that to Logan you would want that man to live. I don't know Jessica Lunsford from Eve, but I can tell you that John Couey deserves to die for what he did to her.

Certain people deserved to die for their crimes.

 

[GraceAbounds]

People like John Evander Couey, who kidnapped from her own bed a nine year old girl named Jessica Lunsford, repeatedly raped her, kept her hidden in a closet for three days, then bound her arms together with speaker wire, placed her in two plastic garbage bags and buried her ALIVE. When authorities found her body, they discovered the skeletonized remains of two of her fingers poked through the bags, because she tried to dig her way out before she asphixyated.

Now Tim, you tell me if JEC did that to Logan you would want that man to live. I don't know Jessica Lunsford from Eve, but I can tell you that John Couey deserves to die for what he did to her.

Certain people deserved to die for their crimes.

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