Execution

[dt3]

Good to see you back again. One question - Do you think Jesus would put someone to death with excruciating pain?

The majority of executions are so quick and painless that it's almost a disappointment to me.

 

[Peter Parka]

The majority of executions are so quick and painless that it's almost a disappointment to me.

No the're not, I would put up the pictures here to prove it but the're so disturbing that I don't think V would allow them, PM me if you want me to send you the links though, just be warned, they are very upsetting.

 

[GraceAbounds]

Good to see you back again. One question - Do you think Jesus would put someone to death with excruciating pain?

People like to refer to Jesus as being separate from God and the Holy Spirit. But they are not separate. Jesus did not bring us new insights on living, he shed light on what was always God’s intent for the way we were to live, but that man had warped and made dark. Jesus was God in the flesh who said, “Whoever sheds man's blood, by man his blood shall be shed, for in the image of God He made man.”

Yes, Jesus taught of love and forgiveness. Many seem to think that to forgive means to keep someone from consequences, but it does not. Forgiveness means to cease feeling resentment against someone. Jesus intended us to hate the sin/action, but to not hate the sinner/mankind, because who are we but mankind ourselves.

When my children disobey, I forgive them. And though I forgive them, this does not mean that they forgo the consequences to their actions. They are still disciplined the majority of the time even though they are forgiven. God forgives me for lying when I come to him in repentance with a right heart but that is still not going to get me out of my earthly consequences caused by my sin. Should we forgive our offenders? Yes, that is what Jesus taught. Should we ask the ruling authorities to not punish/discipline them because we have forgiven them? No.

Unlike us, Jesus is God and in being so he has authority to remove consequences of sins whenever He sees fit. As an individual, I can forgive someone of a crime they commit against me, but I cannot personally pardon crimes committed against another. Only Christ can do that.

Jesus stated, "You have heard that it was said to those of old, 'You shall not murder, and whoever murders will be in danger of the judgment.' But I say to you that whoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment. And whoever says to his brother, 'Raca!' shall be in danger of the council. But whoever says, 'You fool!' shall be in danger of hell fire." He is saying that the required punishment for murder as in the OT is execution. He is saying that it is even worse for those that speak hostile words to others and have hate in their hearts as those people will go to hell. Note that he didn’t condemn the ruling authorities for serving justice; he condemned those with vengeful tongues and hearts.

Jesus came to fulfill the law, not abolish it. His law that states to not accept a ransom for the life of a murderer, who deserves to die must surely be put to death still stands.

 

[NightWarrior]

I'm pretty sure there's a Commandment that states "Thy shall not kill". I'm just sayin.

 

[GraceAbounds]

I'm pretty sure there's a Commandment that states "Thy shall not kill". I'm just sayin.

The proper Hebrew translation is "Thought shall not murder". But that is besides the point.

Kill, murder, and execution all have separate definitions in the original text they were written in in the Bible.

 

[NightWarrior]

And who is to say they have been translated correctly?

 

[GraceAbounds]

Linguists.

 

[dt3]

And who is to say they have been translated correctly?

If I believed in god, I would assume that he would've made sure his word was passed correctly.

 

[Peter Parka]

Ok, I dont believe Jesus is God

You're basically saying
Only Jesus can decide who is righteous and unrighteous and forgive sin, NOT man.

Oh, and why cant you answer a simple yes or no question with a simple yes or no answer?

 

[GraceAbounds]

Ok, I dont believe Jesus is God

I respect your belief, as that is your right.

You're basically saying
Only Jesus can decide who is righteous and unrighteous and forgive sin, NOT man.

No, I'm saying we can forgive each other as Christ instructed. But we cannot forgive each other in the sense that Christ can, meaning that our forgiveness is not the same as his, our forgiveness is not going to bring about salvation for others the way Christ's forgiveness will.

Oh, and why cant you answer a simple yes or no question with a simple yes or no answer?

Because it was not a simple yes or not question.



I will not be responding to any more posts regarding God/Jesus/The Bible in this thread.


All further posts of mine will be strictly about the topic: Execution.


Thanks,
Grace

 

[Peter Parka]

Ok then, just so I know you shirk the bible as a Christian when it dosent suit you beliefs.

 

[NightWarrior]

If I believed in god, I would assume that he would've made sure his word was passed correctly.

You know what they say about the word assume

 

[All Else Failed]

If I believed in god, I would assume that he would've made sure his word was passed correctly.

Yet a lot of words are still translated wrongly, even among newer versions.




Annnnyyyywaaayyysss no one has answered my question yet: What is the difference between a executioner and a murderer?

 

[Peter Parka]

Yet a lot of words are still translated wrongly, even among newer versions.




Annnnyyyywaaayyysss no one has answered my question yet: What is the difference between a executioner and a murderer?

One of them gets paid for it!

 

[groundpounder]

Annnnyyyywaaayyysss no one has answered my question yet: What is the difference between a executioner and a murderer?

I would say to answer your question directly:

Intent

 

[groundpounder]

So is killing people over stealing a cow in some countires, but does that make it right or just?

In that country it does.
What country are you referring to, BTW, or are you pulling this out of your ass?

 

[groundpounder]

Revenge is different from justice.

sometimes, but not always. And that isn't necessarily a bad thing, IMO

Calling execution state mandated murder isn't political, its the truth.

The truth according to YOU, so it's your truth not mine. Execution is not state mandated murder - it's a sentence.

Really though, what is the difference between a murderer and the guy who puts the leathal injection into the murderer's arm? Nothing.

Nothing? You're so slanted. One person (executioner) is carrying out a duty as it relates to a legal sentence on a deserving person and the other person (murderer) willfully, wantonly and violently took another person's life undeservedly.

You mean to tell me that you cannot see that?

 

[Peter Parka]

sometimes, but not always. And that isn't necessarily a bad thing, IMO


The truth according to YOU, so it's your truth not mine. Execution is not state mandated murder - it's a sentence.

Nothing? You're so slanted. One person (executioner) is carrying out a duty as it relates to a legal sentence on a deserving person and the other person (murderer) willfully, wantonly and violently took another person's life undeservedly.

You mean to tell me that you cannot see that?

All I see is someone getting paid to kill! CH CHING!!!!

 

[NightWarrior]

In that country it does.
What country are you referring to, BTW, or are you pulling this out of your ass?

I believe so...

 

[groundpounder]

All I see is someone getting paid to kill! CH CHING!!!!

open your mind