Do you believe the Bible to be fully true?

[SgtSpike]

If it's divinely inspired and is the word of God, ANY contradiction is a major one. Any contradiction would prove that god is not infallible.

Here's a few for you:

ISA 14:21 Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of their fathers; that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor fill the face of the world with cities.
DEU 24:16 The fathers shall not be put to death for the children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers: every man shall be put to death for his own sin.


MAT 27:46,50: "And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, "Eli, eli, lama sabachthani?" that is to say, "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?" ...Jesus, when he cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost."
LUK 23:46: "And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, "Father, unto thy hands I commend my spirit:" and having said thus, he gave up the ghost."
JOH 19:30: "When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, "It is finished:" and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost."


"For I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved." (GEN 32:30)
"And he said, Thou canst not see my face; for there shall no man see me and live." (EXO 33:20)


Matt 5:16 "In the same way, let your light shine before men, that they may see your good deeds and praise your Father in heaven." (NIV)
Matt 6:3-4 "But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. Then your Father, who sees what is done in secret, will reward you." (NIV)

Well, you've brought up some points that only a Biblical scholar could give adequate answers to. I commend you on your google-searching abilities.

BTW, I disagree with you that a contradiction would indicate the fallicy of the Bible. In most cases, I can see it making the case for the Bible stronger, as it shows that it was indeed written by many authors. For instance, the slight differences between the four gospels just goes to prove that those four accounts were written by four different people at four different times. If they were collaborating for a false cause, they would have made sure the facts were as accurate as possible between them, and if they were all making stuff up, they wouldn't have been near as close to each other in the stories of what happened.

 

[SgtSpike]

You're actually quite wrong.

At the moment, it's not "THIS IS EVOLUTION AND THIS IS WHAT HAPPENED AND YOU CANT DENY IT" It's "This is evolution, it's what you need to learn to pass this course, however, you're allowed to believe what you want but if you want to pass, don't let it effect what you write in an exam"

That's true for some teachers, actually, which I appreciate. They give the disclaimer like that at the beginning of a course. But, most textbooks and most teachers I have encountered state it as fact. They say "When dinosaurs evolved however many billions of years ago...", not "We think dinosaurs evolved however many billions of years ago..."

 

[dt3]

Well, you've brought up some points that only a Biblical scholar could give adequate answers to. I commend you on your google-searching abilities.

What does it matter where I found the info? The fact is that they are there. You said:

I've yet to see any major contradictions - care to show me one?

Now you've seen several major contradictions. None of which you care to refute.

BTW, I disagree with you that a contradiction would indicate the fallicy of the Bible. In most cases, I can see it making the case for the Bible stronger, as it shows that it was indeed written by many authors. For instance, the slight differences between the four gospels just goes to prove that those four accounts were written by four different people at four different times. If they were collaborating for a false cause, they would have made sure the facts were as accurate as possible between them, and if they were all making stuff up, they wouldn't have been near as close to each other in the stories of what happened.

2 Timothy 3:16 states that "All Scripture is God-breathed". If the Bible contains errors, then god made those errors. You say the errors are there because it was written by different people, but claim those people were divinely inspired. If god was writing the bible through them, do you honestly believe god would allow errors and contradictions in his holy book>

 

[SgtSpike]

What does it matter where I found the info? The fact is that they are there. You said:

Lol, I know, I was giving you a hard time.

Now you've seen several major contradictions. None of which you care to refute.

I just don't have the answers to them. I'm not a Biblical scholar, just a Biblical believer. I can answer some questions, but I cannot answer them all. And I did refute one of them, with regards to the four gospels.

2 Timothy 3:16 states that "All Scripture is God-breathed". If the Bible contains errors, then god made those errors. You say the errors are there because it was written by different people, but claim those people were divinely inspired. If god was writing the bible through them, do you honestly believe god would allow errors and contradictions in his holy book>

I don't think they are contradictions, but I haven't looked at them very closely either. My guess is that many of those verses are taken out of context, so there might be a general rule (such as sons not being punished for their father's sins), but then exceptions to the rule for special cases.

 

[The Joker]

That's true for some teachers, actually, which I appreciate. They give the disclaimer like that at the beginning of a course. But, most textbooks and most teachers I have encountered state it as fact. They say "When dinosaurs evolved however many billions of years ago...", not "We think dinosaurs evolved however many billions of years ago..."

Is that not what they say in creation classes?

"Around six thousand years ago, God was bored one day and decided to create life."

Not

"WE Think that around six thousand years ago..."

Ok, also, please take a logical look at this too.

Do you REALLY believe, that somewhere in space or beyond, there is a guy that just one day decided to create a universe for no apparent reason? And on top of that, that he REALLY cares about every single tiny thing on earth? And ALSO that he knows EVERY SINGLE LITTLE detail in every persons life? Apparently he knows me down to how many molecules I'm made of. Now before you say that's just because he's my creator and knows everything about me, I've made stuff, I don't know how many molecules they're made up of.

 

[SgtSpike]

Is that not what they say in creation classes?

"Around six thousand years ago, God was bored one day and decided to create life."

Not

"WE Think that around six thousand years ago..."

Ok, also, please take a logical look at this too.

Do you REALLY believe, that somewhere in space or beyond, there is a guy that just one day decided to create a universe for no apparent reason? And on top of that, that he REALLY cares about every single tiny thing on earth? And ALSO that he knows EVERY SINGLE LITTLE detail in every persons life? Apparently he knows me down to how many molecules I'm made of. Now before you say that's just because he's my creator and knows everything about me, I've made stuff, I don't know how many molecules they're made up of.

Yes, but a creation class isn't a history of the world class. It's a creation class. If I wanted to learn about evolution, I'd take a class on evolution. But they don't have them, because evolution is already integrated into any course having to do with the history of the world.

And yes, I absolutely believe those things you said. He's God, who says he can't count molecules instantly?

 

[The Joker]

Yes, but a creation class isn't a history of the world class. It's a creation class. If I wanted to learn about evolution, I'd take a class on evolution. But they don't have them, because evolution is already integrated into any course having to do with the history of the world.

And yes, I absolutely believe those things you said. He's God, who says he can't count molecules instantly?

Evolution is in science, not history.

And Wow....just wow...

 

[SgtSpike]

Evolution is in science, not history.

And Wow....just wow...

Yeah, but I haven't taken any undergrad science classes, so history came to mind instead. I'm sure it's just as integrated into science courses as well.

 

[deep impact]

Evolution is in science, not history.

And Wow....just wow...

in evolution, people believe that all mammals, fishes, birds coming from a cell. do you believe that a butterfly and an elephant coming from same organism ?

 

[The Joker]

in evolution, people believe that all mammals, fishes, birds coming from a cell. do you believe that a butterfly and an elephant coming from same organism ?

I don't believe in Evolution.

I think both the current scientific and dominating religious beliefs are completely laughable.

 

[Obdurate]

As a study of man, I'd say the Bible is pretty right on. Contradictions, love, hate, vengeance, redemption, forgiveness, sadness, joy, etc. Good stuff.

 

[SgtSpike]

I don't believe in Evolution.

I think both the current scientific and dominating religious beliefs are completely laughable.

If you don't believe in evolution (which I commend you for, by the way), then why do you defend it being taught as the truth in classrooms around the world?

 

[damnittDKM]

to be quite honest.

i believe the bible to be a book of lies.
like fighting with super natural forces, like god vs the devil.

or how the virgin mary became pregnant without having sex.
(which is impossible without the male sperm, the egg can't be fertileized.)

my person opinion, is the bible is teaching lies to people.
and is giving "faith" in something, i see to be fiction.
for example, children. they believe theres a heaven, but when they grow old and die.

what happens if theres no heaven?

the story about jesus dying for our sins now.
if he really existed, and died for our sins.
why do we contiune to sin today?

also, once your dead.
theres no riseing from the dead.
same with magiclly turning water to wine, and walking on water.
magic isn't real, it's illusions.
also, a human being CAN'T WALK on water.
trust me, i've tried lol.

to me, the bible is nonsense.
and i think it's the cause of all the hate today.

 

[SgtSpike]

or how the virgin mary became pregnant without having sex.
(which is impossible without the male sperm, the egg can't be fertileized.)

my person opinion, is the bible is teaching lies to people.
and is giving "faith" in something, i see to be fiction.
for example, children. they believe theres a heaven, but when they grow old and die.

what happens if theres no heaven?

the story about jesus dying for our sins now.
if he really existed, and died for our sins.
why do we contiune to sin today?

also, once your dead.
theres no riseing from the dead.
same with magiclly turning water to wine, and walking on water.
magic isn't real, it's illusions.
also, a human being CAN'T WALK on water.
trust me, i've tried lol.

to me, the bible is nonsense.
and i think it's the cause of all the hate today.

Why do you think that God could create people, but couldn't cause a women to become pregnant?

Nothing would happen if there is no heaven, and Christianity would be in vain.

Jesus died to forgive our sins and make us appear sinless before God, but that doesn't mean that we humans do not sin anymore! That wasn't the point of his sacrifice. The reason we sin is because God gave us free will, the choice to choose him or choose sin.

And the miracles are miracles for a reason - because they could only happen by the power of God!

Why do you think the Bible is the cause of all hate today? That's a rather bold statement to make...

 

[Peter Parka]

I find it amazing how so many people think the Bible is the best thing since sliced bread. If I wrote a book condemning people for being gay, putting forward one race of people as better than others and preaching world wide genocide and extreme torture, people would lynch me for being a Nazi.

 

[SgtSpike]

I find it amazing how so many people think the Bible is the best thing since sliced bread. If I wrote a book condemning people for being gay, putting forward one race of people as better than others and preaching world wide genocide and extreme torture, people would lynch me for being a Nazi.

The reason God put the Israelites ahead of other nations is because the Israelites were the only ones who believed in Him and would worship Him.

The reason God helped the Israelites kill people in war is because those other people were trying to harm the Israelites - God will protect His people.

Gay-ness has always been wrong and a sin in God's eyes - it's not the way he intended humans to have relationships. Same as how adultry and sex outside of marriage is wrong - it's not what God intended for us, it's not the way he built us, and ultimately, those things do much more harm than good.

And the Bible does not preach world wide genocide and extreme torture. The only reason people were killed by God is either because they hated Him or they hated His people. God naturally wants to protect His people, and will only stand for so much hatred against Him.

 

[damnittDKM]

I find it amazing how so many people think the Bible is the best thing since sliced bread. If I wrote a book condemning people for being gay, putting forward one race of people as better than others and preaching world wide genocide and extreme torture, people would lynch me for being a Nazi.

exactly, it caused hate today.
and in the past.

 

[Peter Parka]

The reason God put the Israelites ahead of other nations is because the Israelites were the only ones who believed in Him and would worship Him.

The reason God helped the Israelites kill people in war is because those other people were trying to harm the Israelites - God will protect His people.

Gay-ness has always been wrong and a sin in God's eyes - it's not the way he intended humans to have relationships. Same as how adultry and sex outside of marriage is wrong - it's not what God intended for us, it's not the way he built us, and ultimately, those things do much more harm than good.

And the Bible does not preach world wide genocide and extreme torture. The only reason people were killed by God is either because they hated Him or they hated His people. God naturally wants to protect His people, and will only stand for so much hatred against Him.

Dont think I've read such a load of bollocks like this for a while.


Wrong. The Israelites invaded other nations, exterminating men, women and children

Wrong, homosexuality is a natural thing, evident in nature by animals who only follow instinct practicing it. I fail to see whats wrong with it when it dosent affect you. God dosent like it is a very lame excuse. Would you jump off a cliff if god told you to?

Sorry but threatening to burn people in hell and wiping them all out in a big flood IS genocide, I dont care what excuse you give for doing that, it dosent change the definition. Many people dont believe in god and also dont hate religion so you're wrong about that too.

 

[SgtSpike]

Dont think I've read such a load of bollocks like this for a while.


Wrong. The Israelites invaded other nations, exterminating men, women and children

Wrong, homosexuality is a natural thing, evident in nature by animals who only follow instinct practicing it. I fail to see whats wrong with it when it dosent affect you. God dosent like it is a very lame excuse. Would you jump off a cliff if god told you to?

Sorry but threatening to burn people in hell and wiping them all out in a big flood IS genocide, I dont care what excuse you give for doing that, it dosent change the definition. Many people dont believe in god and also dont hate religion so you're wrong about that too.

The Israelites invaded other nations to show their superiority and make sure no one messed with them. If you give me a specific example, perhaps I can better explain why they were invading at that time.

Homosexuality isn't natural - some people (and animals) are just confused. Regardless, God never intended for humans to be homosexual. There's reason for the differences between a male and a female.

So God can't pass judgement on His own creation, even though He created it? People brought the flood and hell on themselves, not the other way around. If you want to call it genocide, fine, but all it is is God's judgement on people for being sinful. I see nothing wrong with that.

 

[Peter Parka]

The Israelites invaded other nations to show their superiority and make sure no one messed with them. If you give me a specific example, perhaps I can better explain why they were invading at that time.

Homosexuality isn't natural - some people (and animals) are just confused. Regardless, God never intended for humans to be homosexual. There's reason for the differences between a male and a female.

So God can't pass judgement on His own creation, even though He created it? People brought the flood and hell on themselves, not the other way around. If you want to call it genocide, fine, but all it is is God's judgement on people for being sinful. I see nothing wrong with that.

And thats a good thing? What a cunt god really is for encoraging bullying.

You really dont know much about animals do you? Stop spouting baseless shit just because you cant hack being wrong.

If god cant choose whether to kill people or not then he is even less perfect than me. He is imperfect anyway if he created people who were imperfect.