Do you believe the Bible to be fully true?

[SgtSpike]

How about "I am the Alpha and the Omega." How does that translate? In English and the Roman alphabet it makes no sense.

Well, exactly. That's why we have to translate it to the best of our abilities. There's never a straight word-for-word translation from any language to any language - you always have to take some liberty in translation. That's why so many studies of the Bible go back to the original Greek or Hebrew words and says what those words mean, so that we gain a better understanding of what the writer meant when those words were written when we're studying a particular passage in the Bible.

 

[Crunch]

i have a hard time believing the stories in the bible......considering that it has been lost and then rewritten from memory by monks but i have a harder time dealing with organized religion as it states in the bible that there shall only be 1 religion and no repetitious prayer......

 

[SgtSpike]

1) How is it more than likely true? I'd really like to know. Why are christians so stuck up as to think that their religion is the one that is most likely to be true?

2) We didn't say it was INTENTIONALLY mistranslated.

Any believer in religion is going to tell everyone that their beliefs are true. And I say athiests are just as "stuck up" (if that's what you want to call it) for saying that evolution is true (and "pushing it down our throats" in school). It goes all ways around. Pretty much anything that is said about Christians and their beliefs can be said for evolutionists as well.

And I'm not trying to appear stuck up, it's just I truely believe that the Bible is true, and I don't know what else to tell you besides that it is true. From everything I have studied about the Bible, I can say that it is more likely true than not true. I have many reasons for thinking this, and if you don't agree with me, that is fine. But please don't go name-calling. I'm not here to pick a fight, just debating about stuff. So lets keep it to a friendly debate eh?

Intentional or not, most mistranslations would be caught because of the myriads of copies of the same passages we have and can compare. I've already gone over this argument several times in this thread, so if you want to see what I wrote, look back a few pages.

 

[SgtSpike]

i have a hard time believing the stories in the bible......considering that it has been lost and then rewritten from memory by monks but i have a harder time dealing with organized religion as it states in the bible that there shall only be 1 religion and no repetitious prayer......

And that is absolutely not true. The Bible was never lost and rewritten by memory, lol.

 

[Crunch]

And that is absolutely not true. The Bible was never lost and rewritten by memory, lol.

well if you have something to back up that statement....i'd be all ears. my co worker who is taking religious classes had told me this. i'd tend to accept what he has to say... over you.

 

[Mase]

Sometimes a teacher is dumber than a preschooler.

 

[Crunch]

Sometimes a teacher is dumber than a preschooler.

true that.......but this college is a catholic college and one of the best around.....

 

[SgtSpike]

true that.......but this college is a catholic college and one of the best around.....

Wow, are you serious? No wonder Catholic beliefs are so different... lol. They'll take a priest's word for anything.

The Catholic Bible is different from the Christian Bible, so any history they have about it is their own. But ask any Christian you know, and they will tell you that the Bible has never been forgotten and rewritten by a monk, lol. I don't even know how to find proof against that argument - I've never come across it before.

EDIT: Found proof easily enough... here's a short history of the pre-reformation Bible.
Pre-Reformation History of the Bible

 

[lumpenstein]

Any believer in religion is going to tell everyone that their beliefs are true. And I say athiests are just as "stuck up" (if that's what you want to call it) for saying that evolution is true (and "pushing it down our throats" in school). It goes all ways around. Pretty much anything that is said about Christians and their beliefs can be said for evolutionists as well.

And I'm not trying to appear stuck up, it's just I truely believe that the Bible is true, and I don't know what else to tell you besides that it is true. From everything I have studied about the Bible, I can say that it is more likely true than not true. I have many reasons for thinking this, and if you don't agree with me, that is fine. But please don't go name-calling. I'm not here to pick a fight, just debating about stuff. So lets keep it to a friendly debate eh?

Intentional or not, most mistranslations would be caught because of the myriads of copies of the same passages we have and can compare. I've already gone over this argument several times in this thread, so if you want to see what I wrote, look back a few pages.

You sound like an intelligent person until you say dumb-ass shit like that. Evolution is derived from observable facts, unlike the bible, which is backed up by nothing. To haughtily attempt to discredit science is both decietful and dishonest. You automatically reject anything that doesn't agree with the bible. You are too much of a coward to look beyond what others have brainwashed you with.

 

[SgtSpike]

You sound like an intelligent person until you say dumb-ass shit like that. Evolution is derived from observable facts, unlike the bible, which is backed up by nothing. To haughtily attempt to discredit science is both decietful and dishonest. You automatically reject anything that doesn't agree with the bible. You are too much of a coward to look beyond what others have brainwashed you with.

Have you observed evolution recently..? Neither have I.

Nothing is proven about evolution, and nothing is proven about the Bible. Can we at least leave it at that?

 

[Mase]

And that is absolutely not true. The Bible was never lost and rewritten by memory, lol.

I can't imagine anyone being able to rewrite the entire bible from memory, especially since its 1000+ pages long.

 

[deep impact]

Have you observed evolution recently..? Neither have I.

Nothing is proven about evolution, and nothing is proven about the Bible. Can we at least leave it at that?

do you believe that the source of Koran, Bible, Pentateuch are same ?

 

[deep impact]

You sound like an intelligent person until you say dumb-ass shit like that. Evolution is derived from observable facts, unlike the bible, which is backed up by nothing. To haughtily attempt to discredit science is both decietful and dishonest. You automatically reject anything that doesn't agree with the bible. You are too much of a coward to look beyond what others have brainwashed you with.

i believe that evolution is not a fact. because there are many subjects that evolution cant answer. in evolution, new organs, specific cell, new systems build up by useful mutation. this is a subject that cant prove by evolution yet.

 

[SgtSpike]

do you believe that the source of Koran, Bible, Pentateuch are same ?

I do not believe the Koran is from the same source, but the Pentateuch is the first 5 books of the Bible, right? So yes, I would say the Bible and the Pentateuch are from the same source, but not the Koran.

 

[deep impact]

I do not believe the Koran is from the same source, but the Pentateuch is the first 5 books of the Bible, right? So yes, I would say the Bible and the Pentateuch are from the same source, but not the Koran.

but muslims believe that bible is a holly book and Jesus is a prophet.

and also, in many verses in the Koran, told that Jesus is a prophet.

 

[SgtSpike]

but muslims believe that bible is a holly book and Jesus is a prophet.

and also, in many verses in the Koran, told that Jesus is a prophet.

Yes, but there's also many verses in the Koran that contradict the Bible. I don't believe they are part of the same thing. I (personally) believe that the Koran is merely a book written by someone as what he thought would be a good addition to the Bible, but that it is not inspired by God.

 

[NicAuf]

Have you observed evolution recently..? Neither have I.

Nothing is proven about evolution, and nothing is proven about the Bible. Can we at least leave it at that?

You do know that it takes quite a while for evolution to take place? It's not going to happen over night, or six days.

 

[SgtSpike]

You do know that it takes quite a while for evolution to take place? It's not going to happen over night, or six days.

I know - but that's my point. Evolution is about as provable as the Bible because we can't observe it.

Also, this is a separate topic, but I read a couple years ago that almost 2,000 species of insects, animals, and whatever other kingdoms went extinct. In just one year! So that brings up a very major question in my mind with regards to evolution:

How do we have such variety of species in the first place when, supposedly, evolution takes millions of years to create just one species, yet we have so many species disappear in just one year? And yes, I know it's because of humans and blah blah blah, but even without humans, you have to assume that there'd be a dominate creature on the earth, and that at least one, maybe two species would go extinct every year... right? So wouldn't that mean that we'd have no species left by now?

 

[Peter Parka]

Evolution isnt provable, nor is the Bible, you want to believe either...good for you, just stop trying to call it a fact when it isnt, its a theory, nothing more, nothing less.

 

[SgtSpike]

Evolution isnt provable, nor is the Bible, you want to believe either...good for you, just stop trying to call it a fact when it isnt, its a theory, nothing more, nothing less.

Yep. The sad part is (well, sad to me at least), you can't teach the Bible in public schools, but you can sure as heck teach evolution as truth if you want!