Do you believe the Bible to be fully true?

[The Joker]

The Bible has been proven to me, so I don't think it is wrong to call it the Truth. I understand what you're saying, but I think we'll just have to agree to disagree on this.

I'll say as I said to Valley, would you mind telling us this evidence that would end the life long debate between Religion and Science? Or is that just your little secret?

 

[The Joker]

I've never looked at it as I'm rejecting other gods. God is God. People from different countries refer to Him by different names. I feel that He's one, and the same.

You may be confusing my comments by taking this conversation down another road.

On the flip side, the topic is, "Do you believe the Bible to be fully true?", so, maybe I'm the one who's going down a different road here.

In any event, I believe.

You forget about polytheistic religions.

That is, religons with more that one god.

So in Greece, God is know as Hermes, Zeus, Arphodite, Hades, Athena, and many more DIFFERENT gods?

 

[bethannkish]

I think the Bible is a decent guide but cannot be taken literally. The stories are dated but i think that the lessons can still apply.

 

[Kaziel]

I don't think it's true. A lot of things you read in it are like, obviously false, and if you read it in any other book you'd be like "Oh yeah that's fake." o.o; Like people coming back to life, and the parting of the sea and stuff.

 

[SgtSpike]

I'll say as I said to Valley, would you mind telling us this evidence that would end the life long debate between Religion and Science? Or is that just your little secret?

It has been proven to me through two things: A personal relationship with Jesus Christ, and miracles within my own life (of which I've already shared one, and you laughed at it). I have been given far more proof through my personal life that God exists than science could ever tell me. All I have is stories, sure, but if you had been there through each and every one of them, you'd probably be a believer too.

Anyway, I'm not going to continue arguing about this. You're rather condescending, which I don't appreciate, and we obviously both have different beliefs and neither of us are going to change.

 

[lumpenstein]

If anybody wants to be intellectually honest with themselves (and others) they should actually research the bible and list, if any, discrepancies in the bible. If the bible is to be taken to be "true" then it should be unambiguous.

 

[SgtSpike]

If anybody wants to be intellectually honest with themselves (and others) they should actually research the bible and list, if any, discrepancies in the bible. If the bible is to be taken to be "true" then it should be unambiguous.

The problem with that is that not all of the Bible can be taken literally.

Also, some of the stories, such as the feeding of 5000 by a few fish and loaves of bread, are accounts written by humans, and thus can contain small contradictions. Think about it - if you and I and two others all experienced the same thing, then wrote about it days or years later, our stories would be different. We would remember things differently, and perhaps not entirely accurately. In the case of the feeding of 5000, one of the accounts of that story gives a different number, I think 3000 instead of 5000. To me, that just goes to prove the validity of the stories being real. If someone was trying to "make up" the Bible, you can bet they would try to get the stories accurate down to the last detail to make it as "truthful" as possible.

 

[lumpenstein]

The problem with that is that not all of the Bible can be taken literally.

Also, some of the stories, such as the feeding of 5000 by a few fish and loaves of bread, are accounts written by humans, and thus can contain small contradictions. Think about it - if you and I and two others all experienced the same thing, then wrote about it days or years later, our stories would be different. We would remember things differently, and perhaps not entirely accurately. In the case of the feeding of 5000, one of the accounts of that story gives a different number, I think 3000 instead of 5000. To me, that just goes to prove the validity of the stories being real. If someone was trying to "make up" the Bible, you can bet they would try to get the stories accurate down to the last detail to make it as "truthful" as possible.

You are only confirming what I have said. None of the bible can be taken literally, that is, all understanding of it is subjective and open to interpretation. Then the question becomes who's interpretation is "true"? See where the problem comes in? You can't have more than one truth, because if you do you also have more than one god. And this is not just my opinion; it is the logical truth!

 

[SgtSpike]

You are only confirming what I have said. None of the bible can be taken literally, that is, all understanding of it is subjective and open to interpretation. Then the question becomes who's interpretation is "true"? See where the problem comes in? You can't have more than one truth, because if you do you also have more than one god. And this is not just my opinion; it is the logical truth!

You can take all of the Bible literally. I'm not sure where moderate inconsistencies led you to the conlusion that it could not...

Does it really matter whether there was 3000 or 5000 people being fed by the few fish and loaves of bread? No - what matters is that there were many more than could be fed under normal circumstances with the food that was provided! The exact number can be debated, sure, but that doesn't mean it should be taken subjectively. The backbone of the story is the same either way.

 

[lumpenstein]

You can take all of the Bible literally. I'm not sure where moderate inconsistencies led you to the conlusion that it could not...

Does it really matter whether there was 3000 or 5000 people being fed by the few fish and loaves of bread? No - what matters is that there were many more than could be fed under normal circumstances with the food that was provided! The exact number can be debated, sure, but that doesn't mean it should be taken subjectively. The backbone of the story is the same either way.

Can you sit there and honestly - with a straight face - tell me that two of all the animals on the earth could fit on the ark for forty days and forty nights and have enough water and food to survive? Do you literally believe that to be true?

 

[Hoffa]

Can you sit there and honestly - with a straight face - tell me that two of all the animals on the earth could fit on the ark for forty days and forty nights and have enough water and food to survive? Do you literally believe that to be true?

Yes they can ! :eek
To be fair , all religious , all that believe in supernatural , all over the world believe in magic !.
To be fair , its not just the bible , or Christians , its a human condition that is beyond any specific sect.
To argue with a Hindu , Christian {of any sect} Moslem, , Jew {religios} or any believer in supernatural, miracles is ...pissing in the wind .
Thats the state of world for now , the human need to believe in magic and afterlife , instead of reality.
Its older than time , and older than any sect of believer .
I wonder sometimes if we are capable of moving on ?. >f

 

[Peter Parka]

Can you sit there and honestly - with a straight face - tell me that two of all the animals on the earth could fit on the ark for forty days and forty nights and have enough water and food to survive? Do you literally believe that to be true?

I'd be more worried about dealing with all that shit, thats a hell of a lot of guano, must have stunk to high heaven on the ark!:yuk

 

[Claire Voyant]

Jesus Christ's story is a carbon copy of Mythos'. The main story points of the bible were basically ripped from other beliefs. The flood story most probably came from Babylonia etc.

 

[Kuroi]

It hasn't been revised.....?

I am afraid that I shall have to disagree...the book that was originally written, is not the one currently in circulation

 

[SgtSpike]

I am afraid that I shall have to disagree...the book that was originally written, is not the one currently in circulation

It's been translated, but not revised. The differences between the original text and the greek and hebrew we have now are minimal, and most English translations are derived directly from that greek and hebrew.

 

[Hans]

Jesus Christ's story is a carbon copy of Mythos'. The main story points of the bible were basically ripped from other beliefs. The flood story most probably came from Babylonia etc.

There are many, many stories related to a great flood and stories that connect an Abrahamic Jesus to other cultures religious figure. To me this isnt a bad thing, rather it is amazing to see a similar story with places who did not have contact with each other. If anything, this shines truth rather than doubt.

You forget about polytheistic religions.

That is, religons with more that one god.

So in Greece, God is know as Hermes, Zeus, Arphodite, Hades, Athena, and many more DIFFERENT gods?

Greek gods were also killed. Zeus was like the third "reign" of "Gods" in Olympia. Zues also raped many, many boys and girls. This doesnt really go against you, but comparing a god who transforms into a swan and rapes a bride on her wedding day to Jesus is not a good comparson of two religions.

Wouldn't a true, full fledged Christian do anything to prove their 'Holy' Bible?

...you need to stop using generalized terms of "Christian". You also need to stop making random assumptions you think are true to an entire group of people based off of your few, ignorant encounters.

I've never looked at it as I'm rejecting other gods. God is God. People from different countries refer to Him by different names. I feel that He's one, and the same.

You may be confusing my comments by taking this conversation down another road.

On the flip side, the topic is, "Do you believe the Bible to be fully true?", so, maybe I'm the one who's going down a different road here.

In any event, I believe.

Im going to have to make a post comparing a few religions...many people fail to see the similarity and likeness of religions such as Islam and Christianity.

 

[The Joker]

Greek gods were also killed. Zeus was like the third "reign" of "Gods" in Olympia. Zues also raped many, many boys and girls. This doesnt really go against you, but comparing a god who transforms into a swan and rapes a bride on her wedding day to Jesus is not a good comparson of two religions.

Oh Oh, I know. But she said every religon/country refers to God. Just a different name.

This is wrong on so many levels, like the polytheistic level I mentioned.

And also the fact that there are HUNDREDS of different monotheistic religions with COMPLETELY different teaching.

 

[Guru]

Why should I?
Unless I see real proof on my doorstep I won't belive it.
I hate being Athiest but I cannot get my head around all the flaws..
Plsu; its to long to read.

 

[Kuroi]

Listen, I do not expected a firm believer to agree with me, the book has been altered from its original form, and no longer says what it was meant to say.

It's been translated, but not revised. The differences between the original text and the greek and hebrew we have now are minimal, and most English translations are derived directly from that greek and hebrew.

 

[All Else Failed]

I believe this was a question asked of the many Republican candidates before Mr. McCain became the chosen one... what do you all think? Do you believe the Bible is the written Word of God, and absolutely, 100% true?

Its just another collection of local mythology, myth, folklore and legend.