Divine Hiddenness

sexysadie said:
You say that like it's a terrible thing. You're wrong of course..lol...but faith is not so bad, I'm proud of mine...it took me to Hell and back to gain it. You don't know me, I know, so perhaps it's easy for you to sit there in judgement of me. You laugh at me because of my beliefs.....where do you get the gaul? If I were to laugh and make fun of you because you DON'T believe then you'd in turn question my Christianity.
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You say I'm wrong yet you just answered the question by just stating what you believe and not providing a single bit of evidence as to HOW you know it.
I also think that if you're just going to get all sensitive about people arguing against your religious beliefs without providing a single bit of evidence to back your beliefs up, the religious debate section probably isn't the place for you.
 
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You said it's wrong to say having faith is a terrible thing, but that is a matter of opinion because there is no rule which says you have to. Plus you believe everything that happened in the bible, when in fact, apart from the Bible, there is nothing to say what might have happened way back when as absolute fact. It can't be proven, impossible.
 
Peter Parka said:
You say I'm wrong yet you just answered the question by just stating what you believe and not providing a single bit of evidence as to HOW you know it.
I also think that if you're just going to get all sensitive about people arguing against your religious beliefs without providing a single bit of evidence to back your beliefs up, the religious debate section probably isn't the place for you.
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I don't NEED evidence to back up my beliefs...that's what it means to believe....GET IT?...lol
 
sexysadie said:
He's created the Heavens and the Earth. He's existed throughout history before time began. Everything that I know and love about God is eternal.........otherwise He would not be God. I won't sit here and suggest that I totally understand the concept of eternity, nobody really does, and God doesn't expect us to understand it. To you and I, time and it's limitations MUST exist....otherwise we have no choice but to deem ourselves vulnerable to something we don't understand. We consider ourselves strong and independent not to mention wise beyond words....we look at ourselves and what we are capable of, what we contribute and then we look at God and what he's done and suddenly we feel weak and powerless....Sometimes I believe our egos are the only thing standing between us and God.
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We know that he didn't create the Earth. The Earth was formed, like all planets, through various explainable forces that govern the universe. Our solar system was formed from the destruction of ones before.

He might have created the universe, the initial explosion, but he certainly didn't make anything else after that.

Which begs the question, is He still alive? I mean, it's been billions of years now...
 
Springsteen said:
You said it's wrong to say having faith is a terrible thing, but that is a matter of opinion because there is no rule which says you have to. Plus you believe everything that happened in the bible, when in fact, apart from the Bible, there is nothing to say what might have happened way back when as absolute fact. It can't be proven, impossible.
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Neither can history, but we believe it. ......

There is no 'rule'? What are you 12?
 
Neither can history, but we believe it. ......
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By listening to people who might have been there, like say....the second world war, that's history right there, it's proven it happened. But no, the bible can't be proven as FACT because it happened (allegedly) centuries ago. Plus, I wasn't saying the whole of history didn't happen, so I'm not digging a hole for myself trying to spout off ideas which didn't happen, but here's your shovel ;)
 
edgray said:
We know that he didn't create the Earth. The Earth was formed, like all planets, through various explainable forces that govern the universe. Our solar system was formed from the destruction of ones before.

He might have created the universe, the initial explosion, but he certainly didn't make anything else after that.

Which begs the question, is He still alive? I mean, it's been billions of years now...
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.....since what? I believe that our very existence is all the proof we need that He's alive. Has He turned His back on us.........it may sometimes feel that way to us....again with the time thing.....

Myself, I believe that there's a greater plan and just because we can't reach out and touch it, doesn't make it impossible.
 
Springsteen said:
By listening to people who might have been there, like say....the second world war, that's history right there, it's proven it happened. But no, the bible can't be proven as FACT because it happened (allegedly) centuries ago. Plus, I wasn't saying the whole of history didn't happen, so I'm not digging a hole for myself trying to spout off ideas which didn't happen, but here's your shovel ;)
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it's worth pointing out that there are plenty of historical records from biblical times, none of which mention any of the supposed miracles that happened, let alone Jesus's existence...
 
edgray said:
tell that to all the starving people in the world! There's a lot of people born into impossible circumstances. By saying we create our own circumstances, you're simply blaming them for their plight...

I do like the idea behind the secret. I read the book a couple of years ago. I don't believe in the law of attraction per se. It does encourage you to work towards something, and it will come. That kind of makes perfect sense, but I don't think there isn't anything mystical about it tho.
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Well, obviously there are circumstances that you can't change. And yeah, the RNG of life fucks some people over while letting others get away with everything. But it's still not "luck" that put me where I am in life. I was born a specific way to a specific set of people for a reason. The millions and millions of steps that took place in my mother's womb to bring me here. It wasn't an accident. It sucks that there are people in the world who are starving. And believe me, if I was one of those rich fat cats, you'd bet your ass I'd be sending them money and food. Anything *I* could do to help change their circumstances..to give them a chance to even try and attain what I could. But just because they can't bring themselves to a first world country and live an "awesome" life or whatever here..doesn't mean that they can't bring SOME good things to themselves.

And I don't think there's anything mystical about it, either. ;) I just think that if you try, you can bring good things to yourself. I've lived at, or just above, poverty level before. So, I'm not a spoiled kid who always had it easy saying these things..just so we're clear on that.
 
Springsteen said:
By listening to people who might have been there, like say....the second world war, that's history right there, it's proven it happened. But no, the bible can't be proven as FACT because it happened (allegedly) centuries ago. Plus, I wasn't saying the whole of history didn't happen, so I'm not digging a hole for myself trying to spout off ideas which didn't happen, but here's your shovel ;)
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I've just had a manicure, I don't do the shovel thingy, but thank you just the same.

Sooooooooooooo you only believe the History told to us by men and women who are still alive? Anything passed that point is just heresay, right?

Interesting.
 
sexysadie said:
.....since what? I believe that our very existence is all the proof we need that He's alive. Has He turned His back on us.........it may sometimes feel that way to us....again with the time thing.....

Myself, I believe that there's a greater plan and just because we can't reach out and touch it, doesn't make it impossible.
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billions of years since the creation of the universe. 13.7 to be a little more precise.

I'm not saying it's not possible. Like I've said many times, there is room for a creator, at the beginning of the universe. After that, there's just a whole bunch of natural, explainable forces.
 
Sooooooooooooo you only believe the History told to us by men and women who are still alive? Anything passed that point is just heresay, right?
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No, what I'm saying is History has that, it has an advantage in that respect over the biblical era because it has people who lived it. It makes us believe it. Whereas with the bible, nothing can be shown as fact because there is no way anyone can prove anything in there actually happened. You can't, the Pope can't, Priest Francis from the Church down the road can't. Nobody can. You can believe it happened all you want as I said, but you can't prove beyond any shadow off a doubt that it happened.
 
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