Definition of AGENDA
1 : a list or outline of things to be considered or done <agendas of faculty meetings>
2 : an underlying often ideological plan or program <a political agenda>
I truly don't understand why you take such offense to my use of the word. Everyone has their own agenda, I do, you do, everybody.
You use it as an accusation Retro. All the time in fact. As a means to belittle someone's opinion.
They're recorded in the gospels... which was good enough for the Christians at the time. We've already covered why the Romans wouldn't have, and the same goes for the Jewish leaders. The lack of records doesn't disprove existence. Josephus had this to say, and yes I realize it is a disputed passage:
No they certainly don't disprove existence.
But, given the controversy over these points which are the very foundation of this bizarre belief system and system of indoctrination, don't you see how the more you look into it, the more unlikely it all sounds?
The people that would have had the means to record miracles and such would have almost certainly had to have been either a) the highly religious or b) the highly educated. We've discussed why the highly religious would not want to do so. We've also touched on why the highly educated would not like these things recorded either. The highly educated would generally have been members of the Roman "ruling class", or people educated by them. It's not as though every Ben, Joe, and Jacob (haha, see what I did there) had access to a computer and a blog on which to post their thoughts about Jesus and the miracles that he performed.
True.
Man breaks "natural laws" of the universe on a regular basis. It was a natural law of the universe that the sun revolved around the earth for a long time... until proven otherwise. Just because our scientists of today believe something to be an "unbreakable law" doesn't mean that scientists in 10, 50, 100, or 1,000 years won't discover what we know to day as laws to be guidelines. When someone's heart stops beating today, there is still a chance of re-starting it and bringing them back to life. What would be viewed as a miracle 50+ years ago is relatively medically common-place today.
No man doesn't break natural laws.
It was never a natural law that the Earth revolved around the sun. That was merely a belief. It was after the scientific process that that view changed.
The laws we're talking about, the natural laws of the universe, aren't going to be broken. Our understanding of them gets refined constantly, but the models that exist at this moment in time are getting very, very complete.
Of course science is an ever progressing field. But all that changes is the refinement of the explanations of observed phenomena. Laws do not get broken.
But they were recorded, just not by sources that you choose to believe. They're in the Gospels, and the existence of Jesus was recorded by Josephus, who made mention of the "wonderful works" he performed. Jesus is also mentioned by other historical authors of the day. There also exists the possibility that things were recorded by other third parties that we weren't aware of, but their writings have been lost to history. We simply don't know.
I'll have to investigate further. The biggest problem is when searching online it's so hard to wade through the heavily religious sites.
Science leaves no room for miracles? What about the people that "miraculously" are cured of cancer, with no medical explanation for how it happened? Diseases that we thought incurable 50 years ago are treated on a daily basis by physicians.
No it really doesn't. Using the word miracle to explain something like the remission of cancer is the biggest cop out there is. I can't explain this so it must be God! That is so intellectually dishonest it's off the damn scale.
It's just simply we do not have the resources to investigate fully why some people do recover. If there was no limit on budget, I'm sure we figure it out pretty quickly.
And as you say yourself, diseases thought to be incurable are treated easily now. That totally refutes the notion of miracles because it shows clearly the result of scientific progression.
But, out of interest, other than these "miracle" recoveries, where are the miracles these days? At one point the birth of a baby was a miracle. Now that's easily explained.
