Divine Hiddenness

[sexysadie]

Right, let me direct you to the meaning of the word miracle.



A birth is not unexpected because we expect it to happen for months before it does. Thus it isn't a miracle.

It's too funny....you don't believe in the word itself but you believe in the meaning...lol

 

[Peter Parka]

I know what you're saying Peter, don't you think I've been where you are? I don't mean to sound all knowing because that couldn't be further from the truth.....but can't you see how it can get your back up when somebody suggests that something you believe in and trust is nothing but total hogwash?

So you used to be rational but then decided that believing in stuff without any proof at all was a much better way to go? Oh, and if I'm so convinced of my belief, I back it up with proof and reasonable argument, two things you have completely failed to do with yours. Jesus, you Christians are very good at confirming that your religion is full of shit! :24:

Pangea and yeah, it would've had to be a remarkably big boat. An engineering feat that we don't understand... much like the pyramids.

...about those kangaroos, you convinently forgot to answer my question about them.

 

[edgray]

Can I ask you an honest question, Ed? And I single you out simply because you were the one citing the numbers.

If the universe is 13.7 billion years old. What existed before that? Because SOMETHING had to exist. Logically, something can NOT come from nothing. There has to be something eternal.

No problem.

You need to watch these videos for the latest current understanding of what caused the big bang and what existed beforehand. There are 5 x 10 minute videos, the first is posted in this thread:

http://offtopicz.net/showthread.php?t=69237

(the punchline is in 5/5)

In brief, it is generally considered that there are these membranes, membranes that represent the 11 dimensions of reality. Two of these membranes colliding is thought to have created the universe we know.

It's pretty ground-breaking stuff, very recent too.

Now, if some choose to believe this is God, then why is that a bad thing? No one KNOWS what it is, there's honestly no way.

Of course. I contest there could very well be a creator. Just everything we now know about the natural world means that the religious idea doesn't hold much water these days.

As I said before, scientists are working on a way to create a universe in a science lab. This is my idea of God, it makes more sense.

The religious belief in God is a bad thing in my mind. Look at the damage being done to science from the religious right. The fact that so few people now are interested in our origins because they have been given the "answer" by a priest. This creates a world distrusting of science.

At the end of the day, science will find or not find God. Looking into a Bible isn't going to give you the answer either way, just lies.

Not a single one of us will "know" what the right answer to all these questions is until after we die. And, at that point, it's really going to be too late. I don't know why we continue to convince one another that we're right when we really don't know.

This is very true. But Sadie said she 100% knows God exists. And this is the problem. I'll admit, I could be wrong, the evidence however is on my side, but there's always a chance I could be wrong.

Are you being sarcastic?

not at all. I'm very much enjoying this, I'm learning a lot about faith and belief in God. I like to learn things and it's interesting hearing everyone's opinions on these matters.

 

[sexysadie]

So you used to be rational but then decided that believing in stuff without any proof at all was a much better way to go? Jesus, you Christians are very good at confirming that your religion is full of shit! :24:



...about those kangaroos, you convinently forgot to answer my question about them.

Not at all, I just got over myself.

 

[Springsteen]

It's too funny....you don't believe in the word itself but you believe in the meaning...lol

I don't believe in the meaning, I was merely pointing out to you what the dictionary defined it as, to show that you were wrong in your assertion that a birth is a miracle.

 

[Peter Parka]

Not at all, I just got over myself.

Yeah, your indignation about people arguing your baseless beliefs sounds like it.:24:

 

[sexysadie]

Yeah, your indignation about people arguing your baseless beliefs sounds like it.:24:

It's a pity that I don't share your way of using insults to shadow the fact that you have no idea what you're talking about.

 

[sexysadie]

I don't believe in the meaning, I was merely pointing out to you what the dictionary defined it as, to show that you were wrong in your assertion that a birth is a miracle.

You were using the word 'miracle' a word you obviously don't believe in.... to dispute the fact that there is a God...lol. That would be like me using my pen to write down the reasons why ink has yet to be invented...lol

 

[Peter Parka]

It's a pity that I don't share your way of using insults to shadow the fact that you have no idea what you're talking about.

Your resorting to insults instead of trying to provide rational argument =

Thankyou for reasuring me though that leaving the church was a sensible decision.:thumbup

 

[sexysadie]

Your resorting to insults instead of trying to provide rational argument =

Thankyou for reasuring me though that leaving the church was a sensible decision.:thumbup

Why would I argue with you there, I left the church a long time ago....that has nothing to do with my beliefs.

 

[retro]

In brief, it is generally considered that there are these membranes, membranes that represent the 11 dimensions of reality. Two of these membranes colliding is thought to have created the universe we know.

It's pretty ground-breaking stuff, very recent too.

Question though...

You have posited that the laws of science can't be broken, correct? So where does the First Law of Thermodynamics come into play? If energy cannot be created, by the laws of science, did these membranes just always exist? That isn't too far off from the belief that God just simply always existed.

 

[Springsteen]

you were using the word 'miracle' a word you obviously don't believe in.... To dispute the fact that there is a god...lol. That would be like me using my pen to write down the reasons why ink has yet to be invented...lol

i used the word miracle to define what miracle meant, to disprove your argument that a birth is a miracle when in fact, if we look at the meaning of the word miracle from the dictionary, that in fact, a birth is not a miracle. I did not in any way insinuate that i believed in miracles.

 

[sexysadie]

i used the word miracle to define what miracle meant, to disprove your argument that a birth is a miracle when in fact, if we look at the meaning of the word miracle from the dictionary, that in fact, a birth is not a miracle. I did not in any way insinuate that i believed in miracles.

Darling, I didn't insinuate that you DID.......you've totally missed my point.

 

[edgray]

Question though...

You have posited that the laws of science can't be broken, correct? So where does the First Law of Thermodynamics come into play? If energy cannot be created, by the laws of science, did these membranes just always exist? That isn't too far off from the belief that God just simply always existed.

The understanding of this kind of thing is out of my full grasp I'm afraid.

But, what I do understand, is that the dimensions in which we live (3D SPACE + TIME) were created at the big bang, they didn't exist beforehand. The membranes contain time but are not subject to it, I guess is the best of my understanding in the matter.

So yes, for all we know, there could be God out there in a timeless place. Time might only exist inside our universe.

 

[Springsteen]

Darling, I didn't insinuate that you DID.......you've totally missed my point.

Then what is your point? And please don't say that birth is a miracle because I have proven more than once that it isn't.

 

[sexysadie]

The understanding of this kind of thing is out of my full grasp I'm afraid.

But, what I do understand, is that the dimensions in which we live (3D SPACE + TIME) were created at the big bang, they didn't exist beforehand. The membranes contain time but are not subject to it, I guess is the best of my understanding in the matter.

So yes, for all we know, there could be God out there in a timeless place. Time might only exist inside our universe.

Time, imo, is yet another miracle.

 

[retro]

...about those kangaroos, you convinently forgot to answer my question about them.

No I didn't

Super-continent theory could very easily explain it.

 

[sexysadie]

Then what is your point? And please don't say that birth is a miracle because I have proven more than once that it isn't.

I'm sorry, but the only thing you've proven to me is that you don't read.

 

[Peter Parka]

No I didn't

Super-continent theory could very easily explain it.

Whats that? Please explain.

 

[Springsteen]

I'm sorry, but the only thing you've proven to me is that you don't read.

Don't get smart with me, tell me what your point was.