Execution

[All Else Failed]

Not a lot in psychology is certain. You can still make lots of mistakes taking each person case by case.

Science as a whole attempts to understand things. Thats how the scientific method works. If a mistake is made, we revise and start over, thats what science is.

 

[TheOriginalJames]

So you shouldn't value everyone involved in the capital punishment process, they are murdering someone.

What people have to understand is, is that you can never justify murder. Just because a lot of people THINK its ok to kill a killer, they are being total hypocrites and are turning themselves into what they are putting to death! MURDERERS.

Here's what I don't understand, socially deviant, psychologically inept serial killers cannot be rehabilitated, but you think we should waste time and resources on trying to do so? :clap

No. I don't see murderers and serial killers as people worthy of any human rights.

You're talking as if the innocent victims have no rights because they're dead. They wouldn't be dead had someone not taken their life, why does the deceased not have a right to justice? Putting someone in jail where they get free room and board, free meals and free clothing for the rest of their life is 'punishment'? That's lame, IMO.

 

[Peter Parka]

James, as a someone who has been to prison before, trust me I would rather be dead than spend the rest of my life behind bars!

 

[Sneakiecat]

Yeah, but in the situation you came up with, a mistake releases a killer back into society. Psychology, like anthrpology and sociology, are social sciences. They use the scientific method to try and understand humanity. So much of it is subjective.

 

[TheOriginalJames]

James, as a someone who has been to prison before, trust me I would rather be dead than spend the rest of my life behind bars!

I don't want to be either, so I think I'll refrain from taking anyone elses life.

 

[All Else Failed]

Here's what I don't understand, socially deviant, psychologically inept serial killers cannot be rehabilitated, but you think we should waste time and resources on trying to do so? :clap

No. I don't see murderers and serial killers as people worthy of any human rights.

You're talking as if the innocent victims have no rights because they're dead. They wouldn't be dead had someone not taken their life, why does the deceased not have a right to justice? Putting someone in jail where they get free room and board, free meals and free clothing for the rest of their life is 'punishment'? That's lame, IMO.

Human life is never a waste. No matter who they are. Iguess I just view human life in a different way than most here. :dunno


Wait wait wait, when did I EVER imply that the victims didn't have rights???? The deceased have a right to justice, thats life in prison for the killer. Trust me, prison isn't a great place to be, free meals don't make up for the hell you have to live in. If you consider being possibly raped everyday, beaten or killed as a "lame" punishment, I can see why you're in favor of the death penalty.

 

[All Else Failed]

Yeah, but in the situation you came up with, a mistake releases a killer back into society. Psychology, like anthrpology and sociology, are social sciences. They use the scientific method to try and understand humanity. So much of it is subjective.

Thats why the process will be long and multiple tests would be done. It would take several months, or even years before they are evaluated.

 

[TheOriginalJames]

Human life is never a waste. No matter who they are. Iguess I just view human life in a different way than most here. :dunno


Wait wait wait, when did I EVER imply that the victims didn't have rights???? The deceased have a right to justice, thats life in prison for the killer. Trust me, prison isn't a great place to be, free meals don't make up for the hell you have to live in. If you consider being possibly raped everyday, beaten or killed as a "lame" punishment, I can see why you're in favor of the death penalty.

Well lets think about this here. Some guy gets convicted of murdering one or more people and now will be in prison until he dies.

Do you think he's going to be afraid of much? Depending on the guys size and temperment, he may do more damage to people who are in for larceny or theft than people would do damage to him. He has nothing to lose, do you think he's going to care if he gets shot trying to escape persay?

He has the right to live, but he's going to live it up without having to pay for anything for killing someone. That is fucked up.

 

[Sneakiecat]

Human life is never a waste. No matter who they are. Iguess I just view human life in a different way than most here. :dunno

So I guess Ted Bundy wasn't a complete waste of DNA?

 

[All Else Failed]

Well lets think about this here. Some guy gets convicted of murdering one or more people and now will be in prison until he dies.

Do you think he's going to be afraid of much? Depending on the guys size and temperment, he may do more damage to people who are in for larceny or theft than people would do damage to him. He has nothing to lose, do you think he's going to care if he gets shot trying to escape persay?

He has the right to live, but he's going to live it up without having to pay for anything for killing someone. That is fucked up.

Thats what maximum security is for. I'm not saying our prison system is perfect by any means, thats a whole other can of worms. He IS paying for the death of someone with his FREEDOM. Taking someone's personal freedom away from them is a incredible punishment.

 

[All Else Failed]

So I guess Ted Bundy wasn't a complete waste of DNA?

Not when you consider that he's still a human and was that way for reasons he wasn't in control of. if a person is born fucked up, its not their fault that they're fucked up. If they kill someone, then its their fault, but it still remains that they are a product of their DNA.

 

[Sneakiecat]

It wasn't his fault that he killed people...Interesting....To me, he stopped being a human when he started murdering people.

 

[TheOriginalJames]

Thats what maximum security is for. I'm not saying our prison system is perfect by any means, thats a whole other can of worms. He IS paying for the death of someone with his FREEDOM. Taking someone's personal freedom away from them is a incredible punishment.

Freedom for Life isn't a fair trade.

 

[All Else Failed]

It wasn't his fault that he killed people...Interesting....To me, he stopped being a human when he started murdering people.

Noooo you misread. It isn't his fault that he IS that way. Its not like he could change his DNA structure. But when he killed, he IS at fault for killing.

 

[All Else Failed]

Freedom for Life isn't a fair trade.

Freedom is life.

 

[TheOriginalJames]

Freedom is life.

No, life is freedom. Life is the root here. You can't have a freedom without life.

 

[All Else Failed]

No, life is freedom. Life is the root here. You can't have a freedom without life.

Do you think life would be much without freedom?

 

[Sneakiecat]

Noooo you misread. It isn't his fault that he IS that way. Its not like he could change his DNA structure. But when he killed, he IS at fault for killing.

Was he ever found to have any "problems" with his DNA? Or even diagnoised with a mental illness? I've never read anything one way or another. There are plenty of of people who are capable of murder and may even come close to commiting it but do not take that last step. And that's the difference to me

 

[All Else Failed]

Was he ever found to have any "problems" with his DNA? Or even diagnoised with a mental illness? I've never read anything one way or another. There are plenty of of people who are capable of murder and may even come close to commiting it but do not take that last step. And that's the difference to me

He was definitely psychotic.

 

[Sneakiecat]

Do you have a cite for that?